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Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by beagle3 »

gkoberger wrote: post #76
jjordan wrote: post #11

It's nice to see some actual good news involving Firefox. With all of the leadership and financial struggles lately, it's made me worry that the browser I've been using for the last 17 years doesn't have long to live. Hopefully that is not the case.

Mozilla (the Company) has always had problems. They want to be something they're not. But the people on the Mozilla engineering team are top-notch and rarely affected by company drama (and probably feel the same way as you do about it). Mozilla is one of the few places you can do this specific type of really interesting engineering work, without having to be at Google/Apple/etc. (ex-Mozillian here :) )

Why ex?

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by jandem »

pizlonator wrote: post #55
est31 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5-15% on web content is significantly faster to me. Also, like many people, I mainly use my browser for visiting websites instead of running things like Octane, but obviously it would be nicer if Octane were faster too.

Yeah. That’s a massive speedup for Speedometer. It’s a big deal and everyone who contributed should be super proud. JSC is pretty well tuned for it, finding a 0.5% speedup is hard. So seeing 10% speedups is impressive and rare. Of course, it’s possible that they are just catching up so they found the low hanging fruit - but also possible that they can leapfrog JSC (I haven’t measured if this gets them there or not).

> It’s a big deal and everyone who contributed should be super proud.

Thanks! We actually haven't really analyzed Speedometer (and most other benchmarks) yet with Warp so I expect this number to improve the coming months. The design seems to be holding up well and we're really excited about building on this.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

bobthepanda wrote: post #63
olejorgenb wrote: post #46

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Agreed - what I don't get is: ( https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search... ) However, our source told us Moz will likely pocket $400m to $450m a year between now and 2023 from the arrangement, citing internal discussions held earlier this year. (... snip ...) According to the organization's latest financial figures [PDF], $430m of its 2018 total revenue of $451m came from those internet giants –…

Re format, I mostly see people use markdown syntax. > This is not a real pretty quote. > But the good news is that even in uninterpreted form form markdown is pretty readable.

The syntax was in emails before Markdown. I will loudly declare that it was invented in emails so that somebody will add the immediate predecessor, and so on until we end up at an original source.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by chungus_khan »

runawaybottle wrote: post #45
remram wrote: post #31

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Layout is actually difficult and offers a great many interesting problems when you try to parallelize it or efficiently use GPU acceleration. There are a lot of constraints and text is difficult to size and render.

Could the GeForce 3090 be fast enough to handle it?

An Intel GMA 950 can handle accelerating browsers. It's less about raw power and more about just being able to efficiently split up the workload to get the page rendered and visible in as little time as possible.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by capableweb »

beagle3 wrote: post #81
gkoberger wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla (the Company) has always had problems. They want to be something they're not. But the people on the Mozilla engineering team are top-notch and rarely affected by company drama (and probably feel the same way as you do about it). Mozilla is one of the few places you can do this specific type of really interesting engineering work, without having to be at Google/Apple/etc. (ex-Mozillian here :) )

Why ex?

Quick look at the profile (unless you recognize the name) reveals Gregory is the founder of ReadMe.com (when you guys moved from io?!), so supposedly ex to start his own company!

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by toxik »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #83
bobthepanda wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re format, I mostly see people use markdown syntax. > This is not a real pretty quote. > But the good news is that even in uninterpreted form form markdown is pretty readable.

The syntax was in emails before Markdown. I will loudly declare that it was invented in emails so that somebody will add the immediate predecessor, and so on until we end up at an original source.

News groups?

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by josh2600 »

The_Colonel wrote: post #38
jjordan wrote: post #11

It's nice to see some actual good news involving Firefox. With all of the leadership and financial struggles lately, it's made me worry that the browser I've been using for the last 17 years doesn't have long to live. Hopefully that is not the case.

> years doesn't have long to live the market share is really worrying but OTOH Mozilla just secured another multi year deal with Google so in the short-medium term they are fine financially. I hope that a reason for all those projects cuts is at least partially creation of finacial reserves, in theory they do have enough cash and momentum to stay technologically relevant for at least 10 years.

Google needs Firefox to exist for anti-trust reasons. If they don’t buy fire fox’s traffic, bing will.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by jonnytran »

butz wrote: post #70
squarefoot wrote: post #66

They well deserve some donations, and I just sent some quid, but would also buy some merchandise for me and gifts for friends/relatives if shipping costs make it worth, but apparently there's no way to purchase from them. A search brought some sites selling Mozilla branded items, but I'd like to be sure the money, or most of it, goes to the Mozilla Foundation. Any suggestions? Thanks.

Would be great if Firefox set up monthly donations system on Patreon, OpenCollective or similar platform, and all donations would go directly to browser development.

I would totally pay a yearly subscription to support Firefox, ideally giving me access to hosted features like Firefox Send (end-to-end encrypted sending of files).

I realize that people who would do so are a minority. But maybe that would help solidify the idea that, while Chrome is for Google, Firefox is for its users.

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