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Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by Hackbraten » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

pmontra wrote: post #293

Hackbraten wrote: post #81

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Unpopular opinion but: telemetrics help developers prioritize stuff and triage bugs. From a user’s point of view, isn’t that a substantial benefit?

Crash reports usually yes (but how to prevent receiving personal data from stack dumps?), features selection probably not. The reason is that you don't get data from the people who disable telemetry and they could use different features. You must find them, poll them and merge the results with what telemetry gives you. If you don't do that, telemetry is detrimental to those people.

Yeah, such statistics will always be skewed to some extent.

One could argue that telemetry _is_ the poll. If a user decides to disable feature-usage-tracking telemetry, and then realize they’d prefer to have a voice regarding feature selection, one possible solution would be for them to re-enable it.

If they absolutely won’t opt-in, they’re always free to email developers to tell them about their use case – a pretty powerful way to make yourself heard.

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by ko9000 » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

banana_giraffe wrote: post #7

enjoyyourlife wrote: post #2

https://twitter.com/RoninDey/status/1309275918943301636 https://anonfiles.com/Ffn8u2Yaoa/Microsoft_leaked_source_cod...

Interesting, this one adds nt5src.7z windows_research_kernel/Windows Kernel Source Code like.7z windows_research_kernel/wrktools.7z to a version of this torrent that was released a few days ago. I wonder if this is going to be an ongoing leak.

looking at filenames in top one there's a bunch of built dlls and exes there which looks like it is just installation of built code instead of source..

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by parliament32 » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

rbinv wrote: post #182

metta2uall wrote: post #121

Would be interesting if it can actually be compiled into a usable ISO - possible implications for digital preservation.

Would love to see the actual compile/build process for this. I don't think we'll see bootable ISOs (from this).

"tools\razzle offline" sets up the environment

"buildx /z"

"postbuild" should make an iso

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by Hackbraten » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:30 PM UTC

ksk wrote: post #334

dx034 wrote: post #95

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Windows 10 has become much less open for non enterprise customers. It't incredibly hard to change settings or disable features such as Onedrive, Cortana, and others.

Agreed. I think MS has decided (for better or for worse) that the average user is not a good system admin, and/or a consumer OS shouldn't require one. Our IT maintains W10 pretty well. I have a test box in my office and I regularly get months of uptime without any nags of updates and other nonsense. I work in biotech and you don't want your cleanroom computers rebooting in the middle of an expensive batch. =)

Or maybe Microsoft just uses consumers, who pay less per license, as field testers for new features before those get rolled out to enterprise customers later?

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by ko9000 » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:30 PM UTC

breakingcups wrote: post #88

banana_giraffe wrote: post #7

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Interesting, this one adds nt5src.7z windows_research_kernel/Windows Kernel Source Code like.7z windows_research_kernel/wrktools.7z to a version of this torrent that was released a few days ago. I wonder if this is going to be an ongoing leak.

All these files have been out there for ages. Especially the WRK, which anyone with a .edu could already download.

also ddk (driver development kit) which is publicly available sdk (now part of platform sdk instead of separate)

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by Hackbraten » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

pcdoodle wrote: post #281

spdionis wrote: post #138

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So you're telling me that macOS is more performant than Windows 10? Have you used both? Do you not feel the delay in every mouse click you do in macOS that is so maddening after coming from Windows? Both the UI lag and general performance in macOS is just a sad story. My windows machine runs 24/7 for months without needing a restart. I am forced to restart macOS weekly, usually because of system issues.

MacOS is far better. This mouse click delay you're talking about, is in your head.

To be fair, it can happen when the kernel is very busy, for example while paging. Even with a SSD and 16 GB RAM, it happens regularly for me due to bloated webpages, or apps like VS Code.

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by parliament32 » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

bzb5 wrote: post #134

I’m astonished by the amount of people who choose to leak code on 4chan.

There's literally nowhere else to leak things like this without removal (major platforms) or tampering by the administration (wikileaks et al).

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by Hackbraten » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:36 PM UTC

WorldPeas wrote: post #339

spdionis wrote: post #138

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So you're telling me that macOS is more performant than Windows 10? Have you used both? Do you not feel the delay in every mouse click you do in macOS that is so maddening after coming from Windows? Both the UI lag and general performance in macOS is just a sad story. My windows machine runs 24/7 for months without needing a restart. I am forced to restart macOS weekly, usually because of system issues.

I used macos, I was forced to restart and update. I used windows, I was forced to restart and update. I use kubuntu now, and I haven't turned my computer off(unless you count sleep state) in a few weeks, sometimes i've gone months. Both operating systems feel slow to me now that I've used linux. I was apprehensive to use it at first, and feel kinda guilty evangelizing it, but if you have these problems, I think this…

I’ve been on macOS for 16 years. Never has it forced me to restart or update (not counting panics or other bugs).

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by unilynx » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

taneq wrote: post #212

buran77 wrote: post #106

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The humorous but not wrong "consensus" was that you always had to skip a version. In this case 95 > not 98 > 98SE > not Me > XP (this was a bit of a departure because it was a successor to both the 9x and the NT lines) > not Vista > Win 7. And both XP and Win 7 were criticized at the beginning because they had to compete with very solid predecessors, and because they came with plenty of teething problems even if they…

This is because since at least ‘95, MS has alternated focus between base technology and polish/reliability/UX. The ones we think of as good (98SE, 2000/XP, 7) are the ones with the focus on polish. The ones we remember as flaky (ME, Vista, 8) are the ones with substantial new tech in them that hadn’t had the additional years of refinement.

What was the new tech in ME ?

Re: Windows XP source code has leaked

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Post by Hackbraten » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:39 PM UTC

de_watcher wrote: post #72

anfilt wrote: post #20

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It's radio active for those projects if some reason they tried using this info.

That's so sad that we have to waste time implementing bug-compatibility with the proprietary software. There should be some law about interoperability.

How would such a law protect you against a copyright lawsuit where the rights holder claims you looked at leaked sources?