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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by MagnumOpus » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 12:57 PM UTC

yanks215 wrote: post #193

itsoktocry wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Compare the US's curve to China's. If the US hadn't tried to half-ass it's measures Are you advocating welding people in buildings?

Indeed. And do we trust China’s numbers? I thought it was an unspoken fact that no one cites their data in legitimate media, since it is heavily manipulated.

Do you trust Taiwan’s data? They contained and eradicated the disease even more effectively than the Beijing regime, without thousands of deaths and millions of infections.

So clearly there are ways to check the spread and cut out 99% of deaths. (They are also not wizardry or witchcraft. Mandatory masks in public, temp measurement at schools and public buildings, quarantines at entry and positive diagnosis enforced extremely strictly by law enforcement, and tracing the infection chain. That’s literally it.)

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by TheCoelacanth » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:12 PM UTC

natalyarostova wrote: post #12

just-juan-post wrote: post #2

Replace "18-22 year olds" with "blacks" or "Muslims" Is it still ethical? Legal? Effective?

Is the implication here that subdivisions of humans on attributes should all be equally valid or invalid, irrespective of the attribute? Because that seems silly.

If it's so silly, then they should remove it from the Constitution

> No State shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by Retric » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:17 PM UTC

thu2111 wrote: post #192

ddingus wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The basis for it was reducing impact on health care systems, and to limit second, and future wave impact. Doing the first saved a lot of people because treatment was available. Secondary saves were non covid patients who could get service because capacity remained more available. Had we had better safety compliance, we would have reduced even more than we did and may have normalized things such that the wave upon us…

It actually didn't save anyone because there was never any risk of hospital overload when panic didn't set in: Sweden has one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe and never saw hospital overload. A few places did, but that's because they over-reacted and quarantined lots of their medical staff. That's the reaction not the virus.

Sweden’s compliance and low population density looks very different from most countries.

Social distancing[edit] On 16 March 2020, the agency recommended that people over 70 should limit close contact with other people, and avoid crowded areas such as stores, public transport and public spaces.[112] At the end of March, 93% of those older than 70 said that they were following the recommendations from the health service to some extent, with the majority having decreased their contacts with friends and family.[113] In May, the agency looked at easening the recommendations for the 'young elderly' of good health, but ultimately decided against it.

The US might be keeping school systems closed, but movie theaters for example are open across most of the country. Mask compliance for example tracks closely with where areas that are currently experiencing outbreaks in the US. That likely says more about overall compliance than the effectiveness of masks.

PS: It’s random mixing between groups that really spreads diseases. Individual classrooms where people see the same people every day may have outbreaks, but that’s all local transmission.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by TheCoelacanth » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

m463 wrote: post #175

mchusma wrote: post #172

This group which is at so little risk being targeted in such an aggressive way is horrifying. It's really scary to think that I'm the US, without legislative voting, a state can ban people from socializing. We need to strip all emergency powers now. These were meant for times like earthquakes, where legislatures don't have time to act. It's been 7 months now, that is no longer an excuse. I think a 30 day cap is gener…

They come home and bring it to grandma.

So can a 45 year old. Why selectively target this one group instead of banning all gatherings regardless of age?

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by scotty79 » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:28 PM UTC

jb775 wrote: post #113

the_benno wrote: post #40

As a 27-year-old CU PhD student and staff member, I just want to say that this is a welcome development. The university recklessly opened this fall without adequate security measures in place over the loud protests of faculty and staff, and (surprised_pikachu.jpg) now Boulder is facing a massive outbreak clearly attributable to campus' opening [1]. My friends, colleagues, and community are being directly endangered b…

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is , expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....And the entire point of lockdowns was to not overwhelm the hospitals all at once. It's so frustrating watching Democrat leaders (Jill H…

> People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is, expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....

Only if you assume we'll never have vaccine or efficient specific treatment, which is most likely false assumption.

In all other cases expected total death toll can vary by order of magnitude or more depending on how many people get infected before vaccine and/or treatments are widely available.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by nimbleal » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:35 PM UTC

atomi wrote: post #115

jb775 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is , expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....And the entire point of lockdowns was to not overwhelm the hospitals all at once. It's so frustrating watching Democrat leaders (Jill H…

> People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is, expected to be the same no matter what actions taken This is so wrong. One has to really wonder what motivates you. Mask wearing alone, a simple action, dramatically lowers predicted infection rates

I think parent’s point is that these measures are intended to stretch out the curve so the peak is lower (not overwhelming) but the area under the curve is the same (same total deaths). The hope is of course that a vaccine chops off its right tail.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by scotty79 » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:39 PM UTC

shadowprofile77 wrote: post #197

ardy42 wrote: post #110

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> #2, I think you are wrong about their invincibility in this case. 330 people under 25 died of covid as of August 20 [0] (most with comorbidities), out of a population of 104 million in the U.S. [1], that is 1 out of 346,000 (edit). This is not high on the list of dangers for that age group. And maybe a drunk driver really is invincible because he has a very safe car that will protect him in any accident. Does that…

A drunk driver is already knowingly drunk and driving one+ ton of metal around at lethally high speeds. Many of these young people, possibly even the vast majority of them, are not knowingly infected, but being treated as if they were all contagious and thus uniformly the equivalents of drunk drivers. Moreover, this is being based on very questionable cause and effect speculation about how much damage said young peop…

Student are "driving" bioreactors that can easily start manufacturing bioweapon and spread it around. Some responsibility must be imposed if the one they assumed themselves was insufficient.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by nickthemagicman » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:15 PM UTC

jb775 wrote: post #113

the_benno wrote: post #40

As a 27-year-old CU PhD student and staff member, I just want to say that this is a welcome development. The university recklessly opened this fall without adequate security measures in place over the loud protests of faculty and staff, and (surprised_pikachu.jpg) now Boulder is facing a massive outbreak clearly attributable to campus' opening [1]. My friends, colleagues, and community are being directly endangered b…

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is , expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....And the entire point of lockdowns was to not overwhelm the hospitals all at once. It's so frustrating watching Democrat leaders (Jill H…

You're going to get downvotes like crazy from the Corona Cult. Be sure to Vote in November.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by nickthemagicman » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:17 PM UTC

lbeltrame wrote: post #164

atomi wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is, expected to be the same no matter what actions taken This is so wrong. One has to really wonder what motivates you. Mask wearing alone, a simple action, dramatically lowers predicted infection rates

There is yet no evidence that explicitly ties the use of a face mask to lower rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. A lot of the published evidence is either inconsistent, or indirect (measurement of droplets, but that doesn't take physical barriers like nose and mouth, or the viral load required to overcome the non adaptive immune system). In fact, it has been argued that non pharmacological interventions should be eval…

You're going to get downvotes like crazy from the Corona Cult. Vote in November! Keep the fanatics from taking over.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by dekhn » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:18 PM UTC

evgen wrote: post #183

8note wrote: post #170

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Is Sweden a good comparison though? Just because the government did not impose the measures doesn't mean that the same thing didn't happen

No, it is an exceptionally poor comparison but your failure here is assuming that the person making this comment is acting in good faith. They are not. Downvote, ignore, and move on to discussions with people who are not political tools.

Agree. It's simply not worth engaging with trolls or people who intend to be willfully ignorant. They will just sit there and say "show me the randomized clinical trial for " even if they aren't qualified to parse the study.