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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by shrewduser »

arbitrary_name wrote: post #189
shrewduser wrote: post #143

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Dude have you been to hawaii? their culture is very much in tact and proud. Not only that but locals have special rights and privileges over mainlanders not the reverse.

I've lived there and I can tell you that many Hawaiians are not appreciative of being colonized, nor should they be. Having their own flag and extra labor laws does not ameliorate the injustices and negative consequences of colonization. Nor am I qualified to talk, I just want to point out that many of my Hawaiian friends would not in any way agree with your statement, and it is worth factoring that in to the broader…

Not my experience, they seem like proud Americans, but i'm an outsider. It was during the Obama era and they seemed quite chuffed to tell me Obama was born in hawaii.

I wonder what they'd say if you asked them if they'd like to leave the USA?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by tekknik »

bognition wrote: post #444
tekknik wrote: post #428

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So present day americans need to pay for the sins of our fathers so to speak? Or to put it another way, we present day americans had no say in the decision but we must pay for the past americans decisions?

No we aren’t guilty for the sins of our parents but if we decide to ignore the ongoing injustice then we become complicit.

I’m sorry, but no.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by tekknik »

kazinator wrote: post #432
tekknik wrote: post #428

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So present day americans need to pay for the sins of our fathers so to speak? Or to put it another way, we present day americans had no say in the decision but we must pay for the past americans decisions?

The concept is valid. Suppose someone's great grandfather stole from my great grandfather something I was supposed to inherit. They inherited it instead. It remains stolen property that belongs to me.

No the concept is not valid and we have laws in place to protect against this very thing. Should all debts be transferred upon death? Do you want to pay for your parents loans they didn’t finish?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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tekknik wrote: post #453
kazinator wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The concept is valid. Suppose someone's great grandfather stole from my great grandfather something I was supposed to inherit. They inherited it instead. It remains stolen property that belongs to me.

No the concept is not valid and we have laws in place to protect against this very thing. Should all debts be transferred upon death? Do you want to pay for your parents loans they didn’t finish?

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by kazinator »

tekknik wrote: post #453
kazinator wrote: post #432

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The concept is valid. Suppose someone's great grandfather stole from my great grandfather something I was supposed to inherit. They inherited it instead. It remains stolen property that belongs to me.

No the concept is not valid and we have laws in place to protect against this very thing. Should all debts be transferred upon death? Do you want to pay for your parents loans they didn’t finish?

No, debts should not be transferred. What should be transferred to heirs is what is left of the estate after creditors are paid off, if anything.

If someone dies and they owe money, the creditors have a claim to the estate.

If their claims exceed the value of the estate, they are out of luck; they can't go after other parties to recover everything.

If someone dies and leaves your their house, but it is mortgaged, then the mortgage likely has to be paid off before the title is transferred.

Creditors having a right to the estate means that you can't borrow (or steal) something, die, and have that property pass it to a heir free and clear.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by tekknik »

kazinator wrote: post #455
tekknik wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No the concept is not valid and we have laws in place to protect against this very thing. Should all debts be transferred upon death? Do you want to pay for your parents loans they didn’t finish?

No, debts should not be transferred. What should be transferred to heirs is what is left of the estate after creditors are paid off, if anything. If someone dies and they owe money, the creditors have a claim to the estate. If their claims exceed the value of the estate, they are out of luck; they can't go after other parties to recover everything. If someone dies and leaves your their house, but it is mortgaged, the…

So someone who lost their property is a creditor now, having loaned the stolen object?
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