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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by detaro »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #36

The article does not say anything about what if any data was used to make this decision. Conflating this as a human rights issue as some commenters have tried to on this thread is a dangerous trend. In other cities, like La crosse, WI for instance college campuses tended to be the hotspots. The same was true of senior housing a few months back. So I am leaning towards the public health officials targeting this based…

If college campuses are an issue, then maybe something should be done about college campuses instead of drastic measures for everyone who happens to be in that age group? (EDIT: looking at the text of the order, it does have more specific restrictions for students and people living in some specified properties, which makes the general ban on top even weirder)

It's also a very dangerous trend to ignore human rights because it is convenient for your current goals.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

InTheArena wrote: post #53
slimed wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the solution is to lock the kids alone in their dorms? What a nightmare. Forbidding human contact with anyone is the most extreme covid restriction I've ever heard of. A clear violation of human rights.

The way the students were acting are putting other peoples lives at risk. It’s not straightforward.

I'm just not sure what that has to do with it. If they're engaging in specific risky behavior, maybe it's justified to ban that risky behavior, but you can't just tell an entire age bracket they've been naughty and ground them for 2 weeks as punishment.

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Post by InTheArena »

Dfol wrote: post #44
djhaskin987 wrote: post #24

A waste management map from my county (Utah County in Utah) reveals that the three waste management districts that were servicing the two universities in the area were absolutely the red hot spots for covid-19. The two University presidents wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities would be closed. Our governor applauded the letter and I don't think he was wrong. I…

I disagree. 18-22 year old's in college are self-contained for the most part. They're around people their own age, not known for intermingling with senior citizens etc.

In Boulder the area that students living off campus is called the hill. It happens to be surrounded by the most affluent (read old) portion of Boulder. I’ve seen gangs of students walking up and down Pearl Street with no masks. The students are not isolating

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Post by ardy42 »

eplanit wrote: post #34

The Boulder hospitals are full, or strained? Flattening the curve was about keeping the hospitals from being overrun. Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable (testing positive does not necessarily mean one has symptoms). Granted, spread to more vulnerable populations must be minimized -- but I wonder about the real science behind this policy (…

> Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable

It's less questionable when you look at it a different way: this is one of the segments of the population most likely to behave irresponsibly. It's a common observation that people in this age range often unjustifiably act like they're invincible. Those feelings can lead to bad results for others, like in the case of a drunk driver killing someone else in an accident.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by BurningFrog »

djhaskin987 wrote: post #24

A waste management map from my county (Utah County in Utah) reveals that the three waste management districts that were servicing the two universities in the area were absolutely the red hot spots for covid-19. The two University presidents wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities would be closed. Our governor applauded the letter and I don't think he was wrong. I…

I'm confused.

Do waste management districts handle epidemiology issues in Utah?

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by dx87 »

staticassertion wrote: post #39
just-juan-post wrote: post #2

Replace "18-22 year olds" with "blacks" or "Muslims" Is it still ethical? Legal? Effective?

Persons within the age range of 18-22 are not a protected class, so this does seem legal. Effective, maybe? I assume this is based on the idea that this age group is acting as super spreaders. Ethical? That's a judgment call. I say yes, personally.

I don't see how it isn't agains the 1st amendment right to peaceably assemble. I could see it if it was a blanket lock down, maybe even on just 18-22 year olds, but it still has carve outs for going to school or work. Maybe someone with more experience could chime in, but I don't see how the government restricting how people can gather is constitutional. Only being allowed to participate in government approved activities is a slippery slope I'd rather we don't get started down.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by Dfol »

Animats wrote: post #6

One area of Indonesia put mask violators on grave-digging as punishment.[1] [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/21/fac...

What's the point though? There were 2 options. Pay the equivalent of $10 USD or dig graves. AKA make poor people dig graves.

Plus, the article says it was only 8 people which won't have any actual impact.

I can't imagine any rational person thinking this would be effective. "Oh, I'm digging a grave for someone who has lived 3x more than me." If that were successful nobody would smoke, drink, eat bad food.

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Post by detaro »

83457 wrote: post #25
FpUser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 21 I was out of university with master's degree in physics, working full time and providing for my family (however small) and making all kinds of life choices. Where would I be in your book?

Probably not at a party with others your age.

Makes sense then that they'd be banned from visiting anyone.

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Post by slimed »

InTheArena wrote: post #53
slimed wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the solution is to lock the kids alone in their dorms? What a nightmare. Forbidding human contact with anyone is the most extreme covid restriction I've ever heard of. A clear violation of human rights.

The way the students were acting are putting other peoples lives at risk. It’s not straightforward.

You have no scientific evidence that these students not wearing surgical masks or cloth face coverings has anything to do with covid spread. We have decades, nay a century, of science showing that face covering requirements do not slow the spread of a pandemic. There will absolutely be lawsuits over the rash, panicked, capricious, arbitrary actions of authorities during this crisis.
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