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Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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This is evil.

This strategy, ignoring human rights for a second, increases the proportion of at-risk individuals who must get sick before herd immunity is reached. If you have a population of 100 people, and the HIT is 20% (assume homogenous mixing), of which half your population is high-risk and half is low-risk, you can enforce universal lockdown and end up with 10 high-risk and 10 low-risk infections, or you can encourage just the at-risk to isolate and end up with like 18 low-risk and 2 high-risk. It should be self evident which course is better. Unfortunately the world has been tricked into viewing “herd immunity” as a dirty word as opposed to an emergent phenomenom.

Arbitrary and capricious regulations like this aren’t just ethically wrong, they’ee bad public health.

Unfortunately the disastrous Jacobson v Massachusetts decision laid the groundwork for this stuff. The Jacobson decision was later used to justify forced sterilization of the mentally retarded, as just one example of where a collectivist, “for the greater good” mentality inevitably takes you.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

#23

Replace "18-22 year olds" with "blacks" or "Muslims" Is it still ethical? Legal? Effective?

Is the implication here that subdivisions of humans on attributes should all be equally valid or invalid, irrespective of the attribute? Because that seems silly.

The law does define the concept of “protected class.” It includes race, religion, gender and yes age (but only above age 40).

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

#24
A waste management map from my county (Utah County in Utah) reveals that the three waste management districts that were servicing the two universities in the area were absolutely the red hot spots for covid-19. The two University presidents wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities would be closed. Our governor applauded the letter and I don't think he was wrong. I don't care what anyone says. An 18-year-old is an adult and they need to take that responsibility seriously.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why though? > Is it still ethical? No, it wouldn't be. All young people, regardless of race, deserve equal protection from their own stupidity. > Legal? No, it wouldn't be. > Effective? For those lucky young people, it would be. But that screws all the young people of other races/religions.

At 21 I was out of university with master's degree in physics, working full time and providing for my family (however small) and making all kinds of life choices. Where would I be in your book?

Probably not at a party with others your age.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This suggests younger cohorts need robust efforts to protect their rights when continued curtailment is attempted by those who aren’t offering up sufficient compensation and recourse for the impacted. Can’t expect a generation to go through two economic catastrophes (GFC, Covid) without support and expect positive results. Things will just go from bad to worse.

Perhaps they should vote.

Ah but that’s the irony. In the US the young overwhelmingly vote for the side that supports these authoritarian shutdowns. I remember when the authoritarians were on the right and the freedom lovers on the left. Oh, how times have changed.

(Compare South Dakota, right-leaning and NEVER locked down, to my home state of California, which is so democrat-leaning that we’re a de facto single party state)

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

#27

Replace "18-22 year olds" with "blacks" or "Muslims" Is it still ethical? Legal? Effective?

It’s often legal to discriminate by age (that is literally what the drinking, driving, and smoking age limits are), but I believe that the government must have a compelling interest in the restriction. This one seems extremely shaky to me, but as is common it’s likely that a lot of people will end up paying fines since they can’t afford to fight an order that may not stand up to judicial scrutiny.

The problem is while technically Jacobson v Massachusetts is supposed to declare unreasonable restrictions unconstitutional, in practice it has allowed forced vaccination, forced sterilization, and forced detention. Oops!

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

#29

Replace "18-22 year olds" with "blacks" or "Muslims" Is it still ethical? Legal? Effective?

This isn't a 1:1 comparison. Everyone's 18-22 at some point in their lives... not everyone is black or muslim.

Replace 18-22 year olds with 13-17 year olds. Do you feel any different?

I do agree that this is arbitrary and unlikely to be effective.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

#30

Replace "18-22 year olds" with "blacks" or "Muslims" Is it still ethical? Legal? Effective?

Replace 18-22 year olds with "regular people"

It's clearly not legal.

Whether it's ethical or effective is in doubt, given herd immunity arguments, Sweden, the Constitution, etc.

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