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Post by driverdan »

oxymoran wrote: post #270
grawprog wrote: post #203

So, facebook employees are mad they're not allowed to censor things they disagree with that people post on facebook? I don't understand how facebook came to be responsible for policing political opinions anyway. In fact, I don't understand why employees at tech companies believe they have the right to police people's opinions period. I see it amongst commenters here too. What gives any of these people the right to po…

What I don’t understand is that if they are going to police opinions, they are acting as editors, not a platform. They should thus be held accountable for any improper editorial decisions that they make in the same way that a newspaper would be via civil suit.

What do you mean by "improper editorial decisions?"

It's their platform, they can remove or restrict what people post in any way they want. If you don't like it you don't have to use it.

Every platform "polices" content. If they didn't every site would be 80%+ spam and full of porn and hate.

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Post by justanotheranon »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #79
bitxbit wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no discussion to be had when you’re FOR equality and the other side is arguing against it. There’s equality and fairness. The rest is garbage. There’s no need to meet in between and compromise. If you compromise with sh tty ideas you are gonna get sh t on your shirt.

>There’s no discussion to be had when you’re FOR equality and the other side is arguing against it. Kind of like how there's a subset of a certain political party that believes fetuses have the same right to life as infants. Or how some people believe someone who comes from a statistically high crime demographic, has $120 in their checking account and face tattoos has the same right to own a gun as someone from a low…

bacteria on Mars is considered Life.

a heartbeat on Earth is considered a clump of cells.

the reason the Second American Civil War is inevitable is because the Left and the Right have diverged into 2 separate Universes. We look at the same thing and see completely different realities. And we won't compromise our vision at all to meet in the middle and see the other side's perspective.

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Post by adt2bt »

erik_seaberg wrote: post #194
notional wrote: post #172

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Last 24hrs top-performing pages in the US, for anyone who can't click the link. 1. Dan Bongino 2. Dan Bongino 3. Breitbart 4. Fox News 5. Robert Reich 6. NPR 7. Ben Shapiro 8. Dan Bongino 9. Mark Levin 10. Bernie Sanders This is curated by https://twitter.com/kevinroose I had to look up most of those names but if you're wondering, looking back a couple weeks it's usually 9/10 or 10/10 right-wing talk hosts/sources. I…

Could it be that left-wing pageviews are divided among more sources so none of them individually get this much traffic?

That's plausible, also from personal experience with family I do think conservative media tends to be more addictive, so an average conservative will consume more news than an average liberal.

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Post by starkred »

chris11 wrote: post #287
starkred wrote: post #229

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I still don't get it and I can't get away from 'printing press' analogies. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" resulted in countless deaths but who owns that responsibly besides whoever wrote it, read it, and acted on the information within? You could blame it's publishers but that seems pretty off-track. Also every company I've ever worked at has angry, self-righteous employees who disagree with upper management.…

There should be standards, even if they aren't defined by law. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was republished by Henry Ford as part of a series of anti-semitic articles. The decision to publish them was immoral and is evidence of Ford's racism. I'm sure employers at the Economist would be angry if it started to run articles that would be a better fit for the National Enquirer. Facebook is kind of different, it…

> There should be standards, even if they aren't defined by law

I don't necessarily disagree and I'm sure there were plenty of reputable publishers who wouldn't touch the protocols.

But should the agency who did published it have been hauled up before a congressional investigating committee?

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Post by mrguyorama »

throwaway123x2 wrote: post #158
rswskg wrote: post #125

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The burning of american cities by antifa could not have played into trumps hands any better. I almost wonder if right wing organisations are behind them sometimes.

What burning? I asked my friend in Portland about how the anarchy in Portland is, and he responded, "Eh, a bunch of people are pissed in about one city block." Here in Chicago, things are completely fine and have been except for the day or two after George Floyd was murdered.

My conservative news watching relatives told me they wouldn't feel safe in my city due to the "riots"

The actual "riots"?: like 100 people laid on the ground in front of the police station for a few hours and didn't do anything and marched around town chanting slogans or singing songs. I think maybe a streetfront window was broken in? But I could be misremembering.

These people are so terrified of boogeymen they've never seen, of post-apocalyptic events that don't even happen. What the fuck

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Post by theplague42 »

justanotheranon wrote: post #228
krapp wrote: post #189

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>It appears FB is essentially a right-wing mouth piece, idk if that is a controversial opinion, but the data appears that way, I think. Given that the common narrative around Facebook is that it, along with all other social media, is engaged in a leftist conspiracy to purge all conservative and right-wing speech from the internet, I'd say it would be.

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love to see fascism apologists on HN

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Post by _qulr »

pb7 wrote: post #242
_qulr wrote: post #119

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> It sounds like a reference to the policies around WFH and changing locations Yes, but that was also behind the snack complaints. According to the article, everyone got monetary bonuses, but it seems the problem wasn't the cost of the food, it was not having "hired help" to stock and cater the food for you.

I wonder if you'd feel differently about the "hired help" if companies like Facebook and Google stopped paying that "hired help" while they sit at home doing nothing during office closures.

Not quite sure what you're arguing here?

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Post by matz1 »

grawprog wrote: post #203

So, facebook employees are mad they're not allowed to censor things they disagree with that people post on facebook? I don't understand how facebook came to be responsible for policing political opinions anyway. In fact, I don't understand why employees at tech companies believe they have the right to police people's opinions period. I see it amongst commenters here too. What gives any of these people the right to po…

Right doesn't just magically exist, every right has to be fight for. These facebook employees are fighting for the right to censor thing their disagree with.

Sure, some people may disagree. If you disagree then you have to to fight it back.

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Post by mrguyorama »

JamesBarney wrote: post #155
pjc50 wrote: post #68

> "In my work with Joel, I’ve found him to be ... very rigorous and principled in his thinking [and therefore I'm happy to work with him despite being a Republican]" The set of people for whom this is true is shrinking by the day; remaining Republican requires an increasingly bizarre set of intellectual contortions. For example, you'd have to believe that appointing a Supreme Court justice right at the end of your te…

And every democrat thought the opposite and changed their tune too. No one really has any strong beliefs about when the president gets to choose a supreme court justice, these beliefs just meld to fit whatever situation will get them a supreme court justice who will represent all the beliefs they do feel strongly about.

One year vs 45 days. Tell me that's not different. This is the Republican's own claim and precedent.

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Post by shadowgovt »

starkred wrote: post #229
grawprog wrote: post #203

So, facebook employees are mad they're not allowed to censor things they disagree with that people post on facebook? I don't understand how facebook came to be responsible for policing political opinions anyway. In fact, I don't understand why employees at tech companies believe they have the right to police people's opinions period. I see it amongst commenters here too. What gives any of these people the right to po…

I still don't get it and I can't get away from 'printing press' analogies. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" resulted in countless deaths but who owns that responsibly besides whoever wrote it, read it, and acted on the information within? You could blame it's publishers but that seems pretty off-track. Also every company I've ever worked at has angry, self-righteous employees who disagree with upper management.…

Hypothesize a machine that allows you to change people's emotions directly, one that has seen mass adoption. Sure, people opt-in to using it, but once plugged in, it works as advertised: send the right commands to it, and people's emotions shift.

You could do a lot of good with one of those! The ultimate anti-anxiety treatment, the ultimate in letting people become the cooler heads they need to be for good ideas to prevail in tense situations.

You could also hack into it with almost no effort and turn a whole city into a bad knock-off of Resident Evil; hit the neurons that rabies hits, get people tearing and biting at each other.

Should people be allowed to install it?

I think it's possible that books were a great idea and a machine like the one I described (without proper constraints to put control in the hands of the owner) would be a terrible idea. There's probably some technology along the line between these where we say "Whoa, wait. What this could achieve is grand, but the way it gets there is, uh-oh."

The more powerful a technology is, the more obligation it implies upon the people holding control over its implementation and execution to consider moral and philosophical concerns of its use.

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