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Re: Mark in the Middle

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Post by Spivak »

charlesu wrote: post #97
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #79

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>There’s no discussion to be had when you’re FOR equality and the other side is arguing against it. Kind of like how there's a subset of a certain political party that believes fetuses have the same right to life as infants. Or how some people believe someone who comes from a statistically high crime demographic, has $120 in their checking account and face tattoos has the same right to own a gun as someone from a low…

What is a "statistically high crime demographic"? Men? It's men, right? Statistically speaking the vast majority of violent crime is committed by men [0]. [0] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

I think it's hilarious that you're downvoted so heavily for this when it's the exact same logic that's used against young black men.

If you look at these statics and think to yourself, "the fact that 87% of murders, 99% of forced rapes, and 77% of assaults are committed by men is terribly misleading because as a category it doesn't make sense to lump all men together when they're so different" then why the hell does "black men" make any more sense?

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Post by JakeTheAndroid »

bzb5 wrote: post #173
hatenberg wrote: post #53

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Yea Europe is a workers hell hole because of this. /S

It is. 50% of youth unemployment in Spain for example.

Oh I wasn't aware that was purely caused by Unions!! And you chose the EU country with one of, if not THE highest unemployment rate.

Every country has issues. To say that Unions don't work when the EU has a strong union culture, and then scapegoat other issues in random EU countries is intellectually dishonest.

Spain has insane unemployment rates because of generations of poorly thought out policies, not unions. They basically had a similar setup to Greece where tons of people don't pay taxes, and it survives heavily off tourism and produces few other things to make up for the tourism economy. Any country that generates MOST of its economy from tourism is going to have a rough time. We've seen it time and time again.

None of this proves the EU is a hell hole, and it has no inherent relation to unions.

Re: Mark in the Middle

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Post by dandersh »

notional wrote: post #172
josefresco wrote: post #152

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"a bit more" lol See this link if you're wondering what "a bit more" looks like: https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10

Last 24hrs top-performing pages in the US, for anyone who can't click the link. 1. Dan Bongino 2. Dan Bongino 3. Breitbart 4. Fox News 5. Robert Reich 6. NPR 7. Ben Shapiro 8. Dan Bongino 9. Mark Levin 10. Bernie Sanders This is curated by https://twitter.com/kevinroose I had to look up most of those names but if you're wondering, looking back a couple weeks it's usually 9/10 or 10/10 right-wing talk hosts/sources. I…

Very interesting, thanks!

Only one I didn't recognize is Bongino.

I would be very curious in the age demographics of FB users. My understanding is that initially the user base was young and now it's older, specifically boomer age range. I could be completely wrong, I've never had an account and am just going off the people I know personally and what I've noticed being online.

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Post by erik_seaberg »

notional wrote: post #172
josefresco wrote: post #152

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"a bit more" lol See this link if you're wondering what "a bit more" looks like: https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10

Last 24hrs top-performing pages in the US, for anyone who can't click the link. 1. Dan Bongino 2. Dan Bongino 3. Breitbart 4. Fox News 5. Robert Reich 6. NPR 7. Ben Shapiro 8. Dan Bongino 9. Mark Levin 10. Bernie Sanders This is curated by https://twitter.com/kevinroose I had to look up most of those names but if you're wondering, looking back a couple weeks it's usually 9/10 or 10/10 right-wing talk hosts/sources. I…

Could it be that left-wing pageviews are divided among more sources so none of them individually get this much traffic?

Re: Mark in the Middle

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Post by lightgreen »

pavanky wrote: post #169
jsiepkes wrote: post #3

> "The community we serve tends to be, on average, ideologically a little bit more conservative than our employee base." If I had to pick one sentence of the article which sums up the entire issue it would be this one.

That is a cop out from Facebook and any social media company if there was any. The algorithmic feed that drives more engagement drives their user base to be more extreme. It is also hypocritical of Facebook employees who were quiet when worse atrocities were happening in other parts of the world where their platform is "the only source of truth" (read Myanmar / Philippines).

> The algorithmic feed that drives more engagement drives their user base to be more extreme.

Just to clarify: more extreme is not necessary more right or conservative.

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Post by buhhh »

krapp wrote: post #189
notional wrote: post #172

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Last 24hrs top-performing pages in the US, for anyone who can't click the link. 1. Dan Bongino 2. Dan Bongino 3. Breitbart 4. Fox News 5. Robert Reich 6. NPR 7. Ben Shapiro 8. Dan Bongino 9. Mark Levin 10. Bernie Sanders This is curated by https://twitter.com/kevinroose I had to look up most of those names but if you're wondering, looking back a couple weeks it's usually 9/10 or 10/10 right-wing talk hosts/sources. I…

>It appears FB is essentially a right-wing mouth piece, idk if that is a controversial opinion, but the data appears that way, I think. Given that the common narrative around Facebook is that it, along with all other social media, is engaged in a leftist conspiracy to purge all conservative and right-wing speech from the internet, I'd say it would be.

Projection is a great tactic, isn't it?

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Post by actuator »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #161
actuator wrote: post #22

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Yeah, the way people like JK Rowling have been hounded for not agreeing on every point with some people is very depressing to see, considering that she has been quite supportive in the past of the very groups that are hounding her. Mob like behaviour to hound someone for their beliefs just reeks of illiberalism.

Do you think it would be "illiberal" to hound someone for believing that white people are inherently superior to black people? To keep things in context, JK Rowling has stated that she believes that biologically male people are inherently a danger to biologically female people. This is fundamentally the paradox of tolerance: is it intolerant to be hostile to intolerant beliefs? JK Rowling's essay explaining her stanc…

I never said if I agree or disagree with her, but seeing her experience with assault in the past. Can you see why she might feel like that?

I sympathise with her and the groups she referred to as well. We all are a product of our experiences and hardships, at the end of the day that shapes our opinions.

We can disagree with her but do we really need to resort to these methods.

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Post by glitchc »

notacoward wrote: post #81
coldcode wrote: post #16

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Nothing remarkable in a company that makes lawnmowers. Facebook is a company that uses its power to change what people think because so many view it as a source of truth. Doing it for money, or doing it for power, is essentially the same thing. If you are in position to manipulate the truth for benefits to you or your friends in high places you will, and he is. If I worked at Facebook and felt the CEO was twisting tr…

> Facebook is a company that uses its power to change what people think I don't think that's a helpful way to look at it. Facebook is a platform that other people use to change what people think, and that's dangerous enough. Without any ill intent whatsoever from Facebook itself, that still creates serious issues with unintentional bias (e.g. via algorithms trained with poor data sets) and manipulation. Those are the…

While other people post content, what content is nudged higher up your feed aor further down the list is definitely in Facebook’s control. They are driving public opinion based on what is promoted or demoted. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Zuck personally decides which posts are promoted, esp. when they come from important people. It’s too much power to just give up to others, and Facebook has never had noble intentions.

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Post by neonate »

pcbro141 wrote: post #150
zimpenfish wrote: post #48

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> Do not confuse disagreeing with someone as that person being morally sub-human If your disagreement with that person is about whether someone else is considered less of a human than they are (by dint of race, wealth, sexuality, whatever), it's probably ok to consider them morally bankrupt on that basis.

Yup, middle ground fallacy. Like saying we can find a 'middle ground' between "black lives do matter" and "black lives don't matter".

You're right that there's no middle ground if you set it up that way, but the trick is to look for ways of framing an issue that do allow for middle ground. For example, we could ask which specific political consequences ought to follow from the fact that Black lives matter, and in which order. There's lots of room for middle ground there. It's a question of whether we want to find it or not.

Re: Mark in the Middle

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Post by dragonwriter »

onion2k wrote: post #92
ptsneves wrote: post #75

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Damn you see the plot point of a serial killer dressing as a woman as attack on trans? I often wonder if I am crazy, because that would never cross my mind. Why would I associate a serial killer with trans? Maybe a woman serial killer that kills women is also an attack on women? I think this kind of reaction actually harms trans more than the story. So out of this world that people will think that trans or gay or blu…

Damn you see the plot point of a serial killer dressing as a woman as attack on trans? In itself, no. When it comes from someone who has a history of claiming trans people are dangerous and shouldn't be alone with women, yes. Context is important.

> When it comes from someone who has a history of claiming trans people are dangerous and shouldn't be alone with women, yes.

More specifically, when it comes from someone saying trans-women shouldn't be allowed it women's restrooms for the precise reason that it would be an opportunity for men who want to attack women to pretend to be women so that they could do so freely, a fictional piece with a central element that is a man who pretends to be woman so that he can attack women can very easily be seen as a dramatization of the exact argument the author has publicly made against trans rights.

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