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Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

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Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#41
I was surprised to see how clearly the FDA recommends against black licorice consumption.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/black-licoric...

> If you’re 40 or older, eating 2 ounces of black licorice a day for at least two weeks could land you in the hospital with an irregular heart rhythm or arrhythmia.

I love black licorice but as far as I'm concerned that's enough of a reason to do without. Just because the damage is visible after two weeks doesn't mean that it doesn't occur in quantities below that amount.

Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#42
post #21

Apparently a large amount of produced liquorice goes to flavor cigarettes, up to 4% of the weight of a cigarette's tobacco blend is liquorice[0]. So I would wager that smoking liquorice has killed more people than eating it (not that that tidbit of info helps in the case of the man in the article). [0] https://www.dkfz.de/de/tabakkontrolle/download/PITOC/PITOC_T...

I don't think it's the licorice that will kill you if you smoke 50 packs a day.

That would be a cigarette every 1.4 minutes, for the entire 24 hours, by the way :)

Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#43
I always knew the Dutch Apekoppen or 'banana monkeys' were the perfect way to enjoy the dangerous black stuff. The mix of high potassium banana with the lethal liquorice makes it both delicious and safe

https://www.mrsbeightons.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Ba...

PS not endorsed by any kind of real science...

Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#44
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does: it has a horrible, awful taste!

evolution has armed us with a way of detecting food that is not good for us but in this case since its all blended with sugar and other dietary "desirable" ingredients it may fool us.

I think black licorice must be genetic. Some people actually enjoy that flavor.

Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#45
I think this article is a good example of conflating cause and effect. But not in a fallacious way or value-negative way: it more highlights well, I think, that there is a difficult gray area where "cause" and "effect" both are related and separated from each other, but not in an obviously clear cut way.

So he died from hypokalemia and other reasons, but the main (or only) reason for his hypokalemia was the licorice habit. I think this is a good example when it's both correct and not correct to say that the licorice "caused" the death.

Contrast with two examples on the two extremes:

Consider a situation when he had instead of licorice had ingested some obviously known poison: then I think it's a much more valid statement to say that "man dies from eating poison", because the idea of the poison and the idea of death are very close together.

Consider a different situation where the man was smoking one pack of cigarettes _per month_ or _per year_. Then it's not as obvious to say "man dies from smoking". The smoking probably contributed to the death in various complex ways.

So you could say that "man dies due from hypokalemia due to excessive licorice consumption not counterbalanced by having an otherwise healthy diet" which is possibly more nuanced, and possibly more (or less) helpful depending on what your purpose is to clarify or simplify things.

Thanks for sharing this article, I find this a good and fairly apolitical educational example that I can use when talking about complex causal relations in the future: how cause and effect can be conflated in both positive and negative ways depending on who you are talking to, what you are talking about, and what the purpose of the discussion is.

Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#46
post #36
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does: it has a horrible, awful taste!

It is such a delicious flavor. Mmmmm... Red licorice is a scam!

I like red licorice, but probably because it's just sugary and has some generic 'red' flavor to it.

Edit I got curious and looked it up. It is indeed not really licorice: http://archive.boston.com/business/articles/2011/08/29/whats...

Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#48

I am a huge fan of liquorice and have been for years but had no idea it could cause hypertension. Since my favorite type is the really salty Dutch kind, I did wonder if that made it worse. However, one of the symptoms is hypokalemia (low potassium) and I think the Dutch salt is potassium based so maybe it's actually helpful. He said, optimistically.

Is it not using ammonium chloride? That's usually what is used for salty licorice in Scandinavia.

It takes huge amounts or really low amounts of potassium in your diet for it to be a problem.

Frankly you're likely to notice it on your stools long before you consume enough to be a problem.

If you eat lots of licorice mostly just ensure you get enough potassium from other sources.

Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#49

I am a huge fan of liquorice and have been for years but had no idea it could cause hypertension. Since my favorite type is the really salty Dutch kind, I did wonder if that made it worse. However, one of the symptoms is hypokalemia (low potassium) and I think the Dutch salt is potassium based so maybe it's actually helpful. He said, optimistically.

So as an aside - I've had some salted liquorice in Sweden, and the closest I can't compare this experience to is having drain cleaner poured on your tongue, and then rubbed in with some sandpaper. But hey, we eat pickled mushrooms and meat in jelly, so what do I know ;-)

Re: Man dies from eating more than a bag of liquorice a day

#50
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's the licorice that will kill you if you smoke 50 packs a day.

That would be a cigarette every 1.4 minutes, for the entire 24 hours, by the way :)

50 packs a month may be what they meant (about the average for chain smokers at more than 1 pack per day.) Or they did imply hyperbole.
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