Regardless what you think of Tik Tok, realize that if people controlled the installations on their phones they way they did on their desktops, I don't think the government would make the threat it is. The choke point of a single app store enables lots of things.
Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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#62Device freedom is a must. Any device should be completely controllable by the end user. There's two parts to this to me: app stores and the data collected by the devices. Users should have the freedom to install any software on their devices, period. Users should also have the freedom to stop all data collection by these devices. This applies to all electronics--video game consoles, TVs, printers, who knows what else in the future.
If we keep letting manufacturers create these "walled gardens", we're not only creating a ton of trash because they will stop supporting them eventually, we're also stopping innovation and integration across platforms. Give me government mandated open protocols, open firmware, and let me install linux on my printer if I want. As devices get smarter, we should all reap the benefits of it through our own ingenuity and hacking.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
#63"The Coalition for App Fairness", I cannot not laugh. On the stage you have: Epic - Trying to be the next Valve/Steam. Happy to rip off their customers via in-game transactions. Spotify - Who rip off artists by either failing or paying very little in royalties. Tinder - Sells sex. None of these companies have any care for the actual developer; who are the folk trying to make a living from their creations.
70% of Spotify's revenue goes to rights holders. That's not ripping off artists. Streaming royalties have been the largest segment of music rights holder revenue for several years. The record labels negotiated these deals and had all of the power. Also, all music streaming services have effectively the same deals. Spotify does not have preferential treatment. Artists can distribute their music without Spotify. Spotif…
70% of an apple purchase goes to the app developer. That's not ripping off developers.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
#64Don't think epic really is in this for a better world.
But heavily regulated app stores by public orgs. I am all for.
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#65Apple built their controlled ecosystem and set their rules. And now others are insisting that Apple should not have that control (even when they themselves are doing the same thing).
iOS has around 70% share of mobile app revenue and most of the premium customers. If you're building a business, media or communication tool you can't compete without an iOS app.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
70% of Spotify's revenue goes to rights holders. That's not ripping off artists. Streaming royalties have been the largest segment of music rights holder revenue for several years. The record labels negotiated these deals and had all of the power. Also, all music streaming services have effectively the same deals. Spotify does not have preferential treatment. Artists can distribute their music without Spotify. Spotif…
That’s more representative of how the market has imploded. There were 900M CDs sold in the US in 2000. This year that number will be less than 25M
Imploded or transformed?
Music consumption hasn't gone down. Consumption of physical media that I can't slip in my pocket has.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
#67Apple built their controlled ecosystem and set their rules. And now others are insisting that Apple should not have that control (even when they themselves are doing the same thing).
Sounds like a great time to make sure we ban all the closed ecosystems and reestablish free market at its best.
A free market is mutually exclusive with a ban on closed ecosystems. You are arguing against a free market.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple clearly has competitors that have a much larger share of the market.
When people talk about Apple having a monopoly they're referring to Apple having complete control over the sale of iOS software. There is no one else in that market. Apple has 100% market share.
There are other people in the _mobile software_ market; if the argument for monopoly requires being as specific as _mobile software that operates on a specific manufacturer of a minority of all phones_ then perhaps it's not a monopoly at all.
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#69If I build an operating system + hardware, should I be legally mandated to provide tooling to make it easy for users to find and install arbitrary software?
It should be mandatory to allow installing arbitrary apps, which has recently become nigh impossible, at least I couldn't find any way to distribute my rejected app.
Any justification for forcing a hardware maker to allow arbitrary apps on their hardware, aside from your personal experience with being rejected?
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Website's broken on my Firefox, won't scroll.
Probably the cookie popup blocked by UBO preventing scrolling. Irony: you can't read the cookie policy without accepting it first.
Exactly. Which for me is a reason - no matter how much I hate Apple's tactics- to dismiss also this counter action. All of these entities just don't care for the users one way or the other