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Leak reveals $2T of possibly corrupt US financial activity

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Re: Leak reveals $2T of possibly corrupt US financial activity

#51
It might help if anyone paid attention to what a SAR IS:

https://www.occ.treas.gov/topics/supervision-and-examination...

Keep records of cash purchases of negotiable instruments, File reports of cash transactions exceeding $10,000 (daily aggregate amount), and Report suspicious activity that might signal criminal activity (e.g., money laundering, tax evasion)

If you do more than $10,000 in cash business/transactions, the bank will (must) file a report -- if you're deposit $8000 one day and $4000 the next day, the bank might be forced to consider it a single transaction for $12,000 -- and file a SAR.

There's fantastic reasons to keep this confidential -- Given that requirements to file are so broad, almost all of these are going to be normal business activity.

Re: Leak reveals $2T of possibly corrupt US financial activity

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A SAR just means activity is suspicious. That's it - a SAR is not by itself evidence of wrongdoing, just a report to take a deeper look. "Hey, this persons makes mostly foreign transactions with vague companies" is a SAR. That's not a crime, and it may not be criminal behavior - it's just an indicator that someone should look closer. Can you imagine if your bank closed your account and refused to do business with you…

> how many times have you had to call your credit card provider because they stopped a transaction just because it was suspicious, even when it wasn't? Ugh. I'd pay more for a credit card which didn't block my own transactions. Using a US credit card abroad can be seriously frustrating. The only thing worse than rapidly increasing airfares on small airlines with websites which barely work is when your credit card ref…

I've had that happen too many times. I've had basically good luck with Capital One provided I tell them in advance which country I'll be in. I think at this point they let me set that online.

Re: Leak reveals $2T of possibly corrupt US financial activity

#53
> The leak focuses on more than 2,000 suspicious activity reports (SARs) filed with the US government’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN).

I think it's important to get the right mindset on what these are before we cry foul.

All banks will report 'large' transactions to their country's Financial Intelligence bureau. In the US, that's FINCEN. In Canada, that's FINTRAC, where I interned way back in 2006. Here, that means for all transactions over $10,000 CAD (or if the sum of transactions from an account within 24 hours exceeds $10,000), a report is filed, and FINTRAC keeps the report for 5 years while they look for signs of money laundering or terrorist financing. They data mine this to find patterns that indicate criminal activity. In 2006, while I was an intern, the Montreal mafia was brought down this way.

Suspicious Activity Reports, SARs are just what they sound like- the banker says 'something smells funny about this'. They want to let someone know about it. For example, let's say there's a particular person who moves $9,999 every day from his account to another one. That's under the $10,000 reporting limit but the bank can say "That's a bit weird, let's report it with an SAR". They can provide more details of why they're concerned.

The banks aren't the police. They don't know a crime has taken place. That person moving $9,999 every day could be doing something not criminal at all. And it's not the banks place to stop them- because that is just ripe for abuse. "Hey, I think all people of are suspicious, so anytime they move $1000 or more, I file an SAR and close their accounts". Or "Hey, that guy is part of , so I flag all his transactions with SARs".

In this case, there are SARs leaked related to some large transactions involving suspicious circumstances. That doesn't mean there's a crime! But it does mean that someone raised an eyebrow and flagged something so that it could be followed up on by the right government authorities.

It's up to the US FINCEN to decide if a crime took place and to handle it accordingly. You decide if you trust them or not, but that is their role in this.

(Do I think Paul Manafort is innocent? That is a whole different question.)

Re: Leak reveals $2T of possibly corrupt US financial activity

#54
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Kind of ridiculous if you ask me... "possibly corrupt"? Is the court of public opinion taking on suspicious financial activity reports now? My gut says these leaked reports will have a greater negative impact on current corruption investigations than any positive impact from public consumption.

The biggest story here for me is I look forward to grepping my name and seeing how many of my bank bonus chasing activities/etc have generated SARs. I guess everyone else will get to see that too. For more interesting/famous people than myself it’s a terrible breach of privacy. There could be lots of interesting stuff in this leak but like you, I very much doubt it will expose much corrupt activity.

Re: Leak reveals $2T of possibly corrupt US financial activity

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post #13

Kind of ridiculous if you ask me... "possibly corrupt"? Is the court of public opinion taking on suspicious financial activity reports now? My gut says these leaked reports will have a greater negative impact on current corruption investigations than any positive impact from public consumption.

I'll followup now that I'm out of bed and see that my comment seems controversial and counter to the thread.

2000+ reports from between 1999 to 2017 amounting to a total of $2tn. Of those reports they only name-check Manafort, a Russian oligarch, and HSBC. How many people are feeling outrage because of the perceived connection between the current administration and corruption when these reports also cover years from the previous 3 administrations? How many characters connected to powerful Democrats could be found among these 2000 reports?

What if someone at the IRS leaked their flagged accounts as "possible tax fraud" or if Google leaked suspicious traffic logs as "possible cyber terrorism"? How much information could the general public be expected to glean about actual bad actors based on similar reporting? How many people here actually understand what an SAR contains and why it is created? Can anyone cite me what % of SARs turn out to be indicators of actual crimes?

I don't doubt that many of the people in these reports are guilty of crimes, but corruption investigations also take a long time and the more recent reports may very well be relevant to ongoing investigations and having them made public could spook suspects before authorities have gathered enough evidence to bring a charge.

That is all, carry on.

Re: Leak reveals $2T of possibly corrupt US financial activity

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, but Collateral Damage, Snowden panama papers... Imagine if they spend 10% of resources that they spent going after leakers punishing real perpetrators.

They may be going after the real perpetrators. If they are, they probably don't want the perpetrators to know how much information they have. If so, their cases may have just been blown apart by these leaks, and the perpetrators are even less likely to get persecuted.

They may, If they are, if so... but extremely doubtful given the history of prosecuting white collar crime in this and other countries.

Didn't we have many financial crime leaks this past decade with essentially no repercussions?

Re: Leak reveals $2T of possibly corrupt US financial activity

#57

SARs are filed automatically any time the amount is over a certain number, I think the simplest one is at $10k and then there is a more detailed one for some larger threshold amount. There must be millions filed per week. Have never been able to determine if what someone told me is true... that publicly traded companies are exempt from many of these regulations.

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