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Mark in the Middle

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He is Fucked if Biden wins - and I suspect the dual stock structure used to maintain control might get looked at by the SEC.

The Board need to tell him

" Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!"

Re: Mark in the Middle

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I will never understand the extreme intellectual fragility of cancel culture. A lot of kids must have grown up never facing and learning to to deal with disagreement or what is it that have created such a thin skinned generation of seemingly well educated people?

Yeah, the way people like JK Rowling have been hounded for not agreeing on every point with some people is very depressing to see, considering that she has been quite supportive in the past of the very groups that are hounding her.

Mob like behaviour to hound someone for their beliefs just reeks of illiberalism.

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This aligns with how I have always seen Facebook, in contrast to Google for example. In their business plan Google (now Alphabet) favors a "greater good" for society rather than purely revenue optimization, whereas Facebook centers on the revenue and does not shy away morally doubtful decisions (like selling user data without regard for their anonymity, which Google avoids by restricting sensitive access to closed-lo…

> In their business plan Google (now Alphabet) favors a "greater good" for society rather than purely revenue optimization

What dream world are you living in and also where do you get this from? Google, like countless other companies in tech, is a for-profit company, that optimizes for revenue and revenue only. If they are doing anything for the "greater good", it's because it'll eventually drive up their revenue.

If they truly wanted to do something for the greater good, they'd turn Google/Alphabet into a non-profit. But alas, they are not.

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> Mark Zuckerberg has faced criticism that Facebook is bad for democracy. > Employees want him to take a harder line against the Trump Administration. They employees want to support democracy by taking a stand against the democratic chosen president. I have a hard time coming up with words to describe my disbelief. Guess it's time for companies to enforce "absolutely no politics at work" rules. And you can add religi…

C'mon, if the concept of "democracy" means anything it has to include the notion that the guy who won the last election doesn't get to just do whatever he wants (especially if what he wants is to undermine or tamper with the next election!) You're not a democracy because you hold one legitimate election -- you have to keep on having fair elections ! Good luck, America.

The US doesn’t have a democracy. And there is almost nothing to prevent Donald Trump from staying in office if he loses the election.

Edit: At the federal level, the United States is unequivocally not a democracy. The United States, overall, is a Constitutional Federal Republic with some Democratic traditions and processes at the state and local levels. US citizens do not directly elect the Presidency. The US method for electing a President is extraordinarily undemocratic.

And if you disagree about Donald Trump staying in office please read this article.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-if-trump-loses-and...

If Donald Trump loses the election, Republicans retain the Senate, Trump decides the election was a fraud, and Senate Republicans go along with him, there is absolutely fuck all that Biden could do.

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This aligns with how I have always seen Facebook, in contrast to Google for example. In their business plan Google (now Alphabet) favors a "greater good" for society rather than purely revenue optimization, whereas Facebook centers on the revenue and does not shy away morally doubtful decisions (like selling user data without regard for their anonymity, which Google avoids by restricting sensitive access to closed-lo…

>In their business plan Google (now Alphabet) favors a "greater good" for society rather than purely revenue optimization

I did not expect such display of naivety on HN of all places.

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This aligns with how I have always seen Facebook, in contrast to Google for example. In their business plan Google (now Alphabet) favors a "greater good" for society rather than purely revenue optimization, whereas Facebook centers on the revenue and does not shy away morally doubtful decisions (like selling user data without regard for their anonymity, which Google avoids by restricting sensitive access to closed-lo…

> like selling user data without regard for their anonymity, which Google avoids by restricting sensitive access to closed-loop algorithms

Where can we find evidence that this is true in both cases?

I certainly see the differences between how G and FB presents themselves to the world. But I'm not sure that deepdown how they paint themselves actually make material differences in how, as major tech companies at center of contemporary society, they operate, or what drives their leadership (ie. profit).

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This aligns with how I have always seen Facebook, in contrast to Google for example. In their business plan Google (now Alphabet) favors a "greater good" for society rather than purely revenue optimization, whereas Facebook centers on the revenue and does not shy away morally doubtful decisions (like selling user data without regard for their anonymity, which Google avoids by restricting sensitive access to closed-lo…

> In their business plan Google (now Alphabet) favors a "greater good" for society rather than purely revenue optimization What dream world are you living in and also where do you get this from? Google, like countless other companies in tech, is a for-profit company, that optimizes for revenue and revenue only. If they are doing anything for the "greater good", it's because it'll eventually drive up their revenue. If…

I have no insight about what the parent comment said but Google at one point in the past did quit the Chinese market on principles, the success of their compatriots like Apple which were more flexible with their principles does show the opportunity they left.

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This aligns with how I have always seen Facebook, in contrast to Google for example. In their business plan Google (now Alphabet) favors a "greater good" for society rather than purely revenue optimization, whereas Facebook centers on the revenue and does not shy away morally doubtful decisions (like selling user data without regard for their anonymity, which Google avoids by restricting sensitive access to closed-lo…

Personifying moral decisions is the wrong approach nine times out of ten.

Incentives and structures are more important than the character of the people or business plans. Neither company (nor any big public company) chooses principles when it would lose them large sums of money.

Both Google and Facebook sell adds but they do it differently. Facebook is in business where the gravity constantly pulls towards the type of decisions that Facebook does. Sure, Zuck could do better decisions, but even if he would he has only narrow options.

That's why you need government policies that alter the incentives.

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