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Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

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Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#111
> But guess what, they had no idea how to use our tool or integrate it within their workflow. And to be honest, nor did we.

They developed a tool without developing working out how it would be used. Is this a problem of bleeding tech in itself, or more of a problem of (product/service) comprehensive development methodology?

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Though even in the latter scenario, it's still prudent to narrow the scope of your bleeding-edge tech as much as possible (e.g. if you're doing a cryptocurrency app, you probably shouldn't be trying to make your own NoSQL database at the same time). Nonsense, the database is the back up plan so you can pivot to a DB company if your main thing doesn't work out.

Or pivot to "we're a blockchain-based database". And when that fails, "we're a blockchain stored in a database". After that, you'll have to get creative with the neologisms: "we're the first ever datachain backed by a Baseblock".

Hasn't the blockchain hype subsided a little by now?

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#113
This is a very interesting article because it is talking about two things and their conclusion seems to be wrong on both

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A) They say they failed because they had a bleeding edge product

IN Reality: they are talking more about Product Market Fit not being there/not being properly tested

B) They say that selling such a product is difficult, getting companies to implement it is difficult, and that the mental game is more difficult

In Reality: They seem to not fully understand their own product, what their customers' needs are, and how their product matches those needs

A few other points, with some overlap with the above

Firstly, that product they discuss is not very bleeding edge. It's basically Analytics. It's not like they were trying to sell Virtualization or Nuclear Fusion Reactors

It's Analytics/What Gets Measured Gets Managed/Pareto Principle

-> We should build a tool that tells you the adoption rate of every component in your design system—across your product

How is that bleeding edge?

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Secondly, Winter 2018 to Summer 2020

That's 1.5 years

Is that really time to tell if a product is a hit or not?

Look at all the companies that are going IPO now. They are between 5 to 20 years of existence before IPO

Outliers like Amazon and Facebook have really messed up lots of people's perceptions of what building a company should be like

They think everything is going to come together in one or two years

Thirdly, all their problems (sales is hard; companies adopting product is hard; mental game is hard) is basically

A) Your product doesn't have Product Market Fit. If there is a good fit then NEW makes it sell faster because no one else has it

B) Your mental game is weak. If you are going to give time to a product (even a not that significant 1.5 years of your life) you must make sure you give it your best shot

C) It seems all your issues rise from you thinking SOMEONE ELSE is going to do stuff for you

You have to sell

You have to get the company to adopt the product

You have to keep yourself focused and positive

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Do you really understand what problem that product solves?

Does your customer want that problem solved?

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#114
> We should build a tool that tells you the adoption rate of every component in your design system—across your product

How is that bleeding-edge? It's just "lint for design systems". What happened probably is that the number of people who actually use a "design system" is fairly small. And among them, those who understand what linting is are possibly rare...

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#115

Seems to be this article is about when your product is bleeding-edge tech, but people are commenting as if it were about building your product using bleeding-edge tech (in-house or otherwise). Definitely only do one of these at a time, tho :)

Yeah, it's kind of like the classic "break one law at a time" rule. If you're hauling drugs, don't speed. Getting away with just the one thing is hard enough. I think Discord is one good example of this sort of trade-off. Single, pretty standard type of app that improves on its predecessors, with some bleeding-edge engineering: https://blog.discord.com/why-discord-is-switching-from-go-to... >Discord has never been af…

What problem was Discord solving when they launched? Twitch already existed, Slack existed. Asking because it's a similar question I'm asking myself as I build https://sqwok.im, a news-focused public messaging app. I chose to use "bleeding edge tech", and have been challenged by peers about whether it would have been wiser to just use some off-the-shelf solution for parts of it vs architecting a fully custom a-z platform. I guess it depends. I don't see a site like Discord or Sqwok having a chance without a certain threshold of engineering to support the early product. That said, there's always the chance it doesn't matter because it's not solving a pain point for users. Sometimes it feels hard to answer without a tangible product to show.

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#116

I disagree. There is always a space for something bleeding edge. Your fatal flaw was not creating something "new" but the fact that you didn't actually build the product. A product that has no easy ability to integrate with a workflow is not a product, it's a proof of concept.

I tend to agree with this sentiment and it's what's driven me to build the mvp for https://sqwok.im. At least for this type of app/product, I don't believe a simple poc would be enough. I needed to get a working mvp into peoples hands to even have a shot of conveying the idea. Some people close to me have challenged me on this topic, which is healthy, but we will see how it plays out.

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had my first startup fail in the late 2000s because we built a sales prediction software that sounded cool, but nobody actually wanted. We even had a large paid pilot with a major auto manufacturer, but they didn't renew when it turned out that none of their employees had actually used the software. Making something nobody wants is a classic startup mistake. I resolved not to make it again and read a great deal abo…

Someone on HN once said “It’s hard to tell people the solution to a problem they don’t have”. Building software that solves a problem that the intended users don’t understand that they have is also a real problem.

Yeah, creating problems in people for which you conveniently sell solutions is the job of marketing.

As for building a solution to "a problem that the intended users don’t understand that they have", I'll agree that this may not be a good thing for a startup to do - but when I see how basic research is being defunded and drowned in red tape, and people saying that startups are the new, distributed R&D departments, I feel the middle has fallen out. When startups do a greedy gradient descent, and academia struggles doing science, who's going to work on solving problems that require solutions one or two steps beyond what the intended audience can understand? FLOSS community? What about outside software?

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#118
post #87

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It's actually hilarious. So many people enjoy sharing their opinion on the headline rather than the content of the article.

Sometimes people just want to talk about a certain topic, regardless of the article's contents. The headline just gives them a convenient excuse.

As 'CPLX says, for many of us the article itself is just a discussion prompt. Quite often (I'd say half of the time), the tangents and off-topics in the HN discussions are way more insightful and interesting than the submitted article.

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#119
post #87

Has any of commenters read the article? Looks like everyone talks about using bleeding edge tech in startup and how its bad, but this article is about building a bleeding edge product and how difficult is to sell such product (probably because everyone know that using bleeding edge products is dangerous :) )

It's actually hilarious. So many people enjoy sharing their opinion on the headline rather than the content of the article.

Which makes me wonder, why people insist on having a headline AND an article in 2020?

It only creates a confusion when most people don't bother reading articles when the headline is strong enough to inflict a response. It has become a tool to say something and deny saying it.

Re: Bleeding-edge tech will kill your startup

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or pivot to "we're a blockchain-based database". And when that fails, "we're a blockchain stored in a database". After that, you'll have to get creative with the neologisms: "we're the first ever datachain backed by a Baseblock".

Hasn't the blockchain hype subsided a little by now?

Atleast in India its gone completely, Here they started with a blockchain( just a database stored on a central government servers) for everything. After crytpo currency got banned here and now i don't even hear blockchain anymore. People can't even differentiate between blockchain and Bitcoin lol.
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