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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by throw_m239339 » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:30 AM UTC

tgtweak wrote: post #439

Youtube has had a scam video ad up for 3 days now advertising fallguys for mobile where it's just a page that forces you to install other apps. It was blatant and I reported it but YouTube can't be bothered to dispatch a human to look at it. I've seen more promoted Livestream scams in the last 6 months promising crypto giveaways than ever. They're equally blatant and impersonating tesla, spaceX and even Steve Wozniak…

Youtube isn't going to listen to you, Devolver on the other end might and Youtube might listen to THEM.

That's the same thing with copyright scams and counterfeits on Kickstarter and co, Kickstarter doesn't give a flying "fork" about user reports until Disney or Sony send their lawyers.

I also remember that blatant Youtube live bitcoin scam just after the Playstation 5 reveal which Youtube let run despite perhaps thousands of user reports. Youtube could not NOT know this scam was happening.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by martin_bech » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:32 AM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #122

martin_bech wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GCP seems like its run like a hobby project. Scary af

It's because unlike AWS and Azure, they don't actually use it.

Thats actually it, and thereby it is a hobby project, that Google could close at any time..

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by mlang23 » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:37 AM UTC

I have been spending the last year listening to audiobooks illegally posted to youtube. It is obvious (to me) that youtube is deliberately not removing this sort of content in a timely matter because it actually serves them well. Users like it, and audible is apparently not really persuing YouTube for what they allow to happen. I even get audible ads while listening to audiobooks stolen from audible and uploaded to some (probably hacked) youtube account. How weird is that? And then, there are numberous stories of people with legit content that are being removed or demonetized. Have a non-WHO opinion on covid? Bang, you're gone. Have a pirated audiobook online with 100k views, nah, no problem! I wonder how long it will take until youtube is held liable for copyright infringments. They are obviously playing a two-sided game.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by aleksjess » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:38 AM UTC

jennyyang wrote: post #566

The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. If Google/Youtube were NOT a monopoly, they would have invested significant amount of money in customer support. However, there is zero. The only reason they get away with this is because they have a monopoly. They are saving hundreds of millions in support costs by not deliv…

Why get so far with the proof? Looking at market share is far easier.

Great point, though. They are saving millions - in order to provide actual customer support they would have to hire a lot of people from all around the world.

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Post by rtx » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:39 AM UTC

segfaultbuserr wrote: post #606

dbcurtis wrote: post #552

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An old office mate had been a systems programmer back in the days of mainframes. He once put a local-site patch into the mainframe boot code where the question about wiping and restoring the on-line storage required operators to type in, correctly capitalized and punctuated, the precise string: "Yes, I really do want to spend the entirety of my shift hanging tapes." .... and someone still did it. The struggle is real…

In electrical engineering, the saying is "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool." Also, in computer folklore, there are numerous stories of how non-technical users purposefully destroy foolproof mechanisms by brute-force, e.g. cut the slot on a DDR3 socket to insert a DDR2 RAM module and fry everything... And I wonder whether "don't use brute-force, if you have difficulty getting it in, it means you ar…

Atleast in this instance some blame lies with computer hardware designers. Make things simple, no one puts a three the wrong way.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by bmn__ » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:42 AM UTC

6nf wrote: post #565

n_u_l_l wrote: post #311

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Disclaimer: I have extensive knowledge about YouTube Content ID (CID) and DMCA notices, but I'm not a lawyer. This isn't legal advice. He received a DMCA takedown, which is different from a copyright claim. Copyright claiming is a system made by YouTube for copyright owners to easily monetize/monitor reuse of their content instead of having to take down the content. It also allows splitting revenue in cases where one…

> He received a DMCA takedown Do you have a source for this? I can't find evidence that this is a DMCA notice. Those are fairly straightforward to appeal on youtube which means the next step is court. I don't think this guy got actual DMCA notices.

3:47 in the video

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by izacus » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:43 AM UTC

avianlyric wrote: post #153

perakojotgenije wrote: post #86

YouTube's Copyright System Isn't Broken. The World's Is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

I think if you watch OPs video you would agree that in this case YouTubes systems is also broken. It’s kind of ridiculous that YouTube accept claims against an entire video without _any_ evidence, or even a description of what copyrighted material is being infringed on. Instead it seems that YouTube will simply let someone claim that a video has copyrighted content without explanation (and in violation of the DMCA),…

Americans have setup the DMCA law in a way that content must be taken off without evidence (with widespread support on HN no less), so this one really isn't on YouTube.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by y42 » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:43 AM UTC

jennyyang wrote: post #566

The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. If Google/Youtube were NOT a monopoly, they would have invested significant amount of money in customer support. However, there is zero. The only reason they get away with this is because they have a monopoly. They are saving hundreds of millions in support costs by not deliv…

Google has a support infra structure, but it's only for big and/or paying customers. If you don't pay Google anything, you are not a customer. You are either a supplier, delivering content, or a user, consuming (free) content.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by nicky0 » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:44 AM UTC

sio8ohPi wrote: post #226

RandallBrown wrote: post #41

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As far as I know, covers aren't fair use. https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/posting-cover-songs-on-yo... Thousands (millions?) of people post covers on YouTube with no issue, but sometimes people get unlucky. I don't think monetization makes a difference in the eyes of the law (maybe it would for proving damages? I'm not a lawyer.) What's unusual is that he said he got 5 copyright strikes without telling him why. I'…

Looking at his other videos this seems like a clear cut case of copyright infringement, if he's not obtaining mechanical licenses. I don't understand why anyone is up in arms about this.

It's a sync license that he would need (for videos). Unfortunately these are a lot harder and more expensive to obtain than mechanical licenses.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by verinus » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 7:50 AM UTC

Joeri wrote: post #583

jennyyang wrote: post #566

The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. If Google/Youtube were NOT a monopoly, they would have invested significant amount of money in customer support. However, there is zero. The only reason they get away with this is because they have a monopoly. They are saving hundreds of millions in support costs by not deliv…

They do have support infrastructure for their customers. Youtube content creators are not customers, they’re more akin to contractors (when paid) and volunteers (when not). In fact, google is the customer in this relationship, and they are within their rights to stop buying the product without having to explain why. It is on content creators to diversify their business. If a contractor has only a single customer beca…

I beg to differ: content creators use the service provided by youtube to offer their content for consumption and receive payment via a ad service.

Youtube does not order contractors but offers a service for production and consumption of content- so they have customers creating content and others just consuming- both being customers of their service.