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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Shared404 »

totaldude87 wrote: post #53

WOW, initially i thought this was some average joe's channel where bots can run rampage(even this is wrong).. 770,000 subscribers 120 million views 600 videos all gone in 4 days!!!!! keep rocking youtube!!! Google is now a monopoly with Search, Youtube and probably gmail be right?!

> Google is now a monopoly with Search, Youtube and probably gmail be right?!

Not quite.

Search -- I use an assortment of non-google engines, but mostly https://duckduckgo.com

Youtube -- Not quite a monopoly, but contains almost all of the mindshare.

Gmail -- There's plenty of other email services. I use protonmail.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by kortilla »

kelnos wrote: post #317
chii wrote: post #281

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> A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship so i have to make my own bookstore just to sell that book? I'd say that's pretty close to censorship. Even tho the constitution doesn't stop private censorship (only gov't censorship), it isn't a good outcome imo.

If you can't find even one existing bookstore to carry your book, perhaps your views or ideas are so toxic that you should rethink them. Either way: still not censorship.

Do you know what censorship means? It’s quite literally the textbook definition (explicitly blocking books because of the ideas in them) so I’m curious what you think censorship is.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by graton »

_jal wrote: post #225
zamalek wrote: post #192

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I wouldn't touch GCP with a barge pole for these reasons.

Or their free email. If you use them, ask yourself, if they locked you out, what data would you lose? And how many accounts at other services are going to give you grief because you can't reply from that address now?

Well thanks to using rclone and gmvault (even though it is dead project it still keeps backing up my email) I am hoping it would be very minimal data loss.

I also use borg back up every day on my backups so that I keep data for a fairly long time.

And I have setup a schedule to do Google Takeout every 90 days.

But I would guess less than 1% of people do what I do to ensure they could handle losing access to their Google account.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by heartbeats »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #380
tristor wrote: post #327

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> If you want free speech go to your door, walk outside, start taking. You got your free speech. Everything else is a bonus. This argument is reductio ad absurdum, except executed against an argument you support. De-platforming online is in opposition to free speech, and the fact you can walk out your front door with a sign does not mitigate the loss of equal power behind your speech that others enjoy by using Intern…

> the fact you can walk out your front door with a sign does not mitigate the loss of equal power behind your speech that others enjoy by using Internet services. You standing on the street with a sign is in no way equivalent in character or reach to writing what your sign says on Twitter Maybe the answer is obvious to you, but it is not to me: why should these things be equivalent? Why should you be entitled to twit…

Losing my job over them definitely dissuades me from sharing them in the future. This impedes my freedom of speech.

If you're saying that you're not physically prevented from saying whatever you'd like, but with that being the limit, it seems like just about any infringement becomes acceptable.

> Being put to death by the government has not prevented you from sharing those statements.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by seph-reed »

smogcutter wrote: post #314
seph-reed wrote: post #260

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Terrible metaphor. How do you suggest making a platform which allows good content while disallowing bad? Also, how do you expect to be able to define these things? Remember: every person you pay to moderate has to be able to discern good from bad in as little time as possible. Even less time than that.

Ironic argument to post on such a heavily moderated forum. Also kind of beside the point with regards to a site that seems to be intentionally designed as a safe harbor for venomous trash. Not quite the same thing as throwing up your hands over moderation being hard.

The trick with this forum (and IMO the only trick that really works) is narrow-bandwidth community.

I have no idea how to apply this to a content hosting paradigm though. Not without spending a couple million dollars on bots who inevitably make mistakes.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by userbinator »

wlll wrote: post #257
core-questions wrote: post #229

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I see you've rediscovered the publisher vs. platform dichotomy! Those of us who believe in free speech understand that people will say things we don't like, and further understand that the sacrifice of ignoring content we dislike is worth it for the greater principle. I know this is difficult when people are saying things you believe to be untrue, but thus far nobody has come up with an alternative that doesn't resul…

You're not impinging on the free speech of people when you push them off your platform, they are free to carry on spouting their repugnant shit if they want, it's just that they have to build their own site, or even just try talking to people on the street about it. What you are doing when you allow racism or xenophobia on your site is helping them promote it. There's a difference, and the fact that you have chosen t…

That's the classic "us vs them"/"if you're not with us you're against us" argument, and it's really the cause of the recent increase in divisiveness that is slowly destroying society.

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Post by BurningFrog »

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #259
core-questions wrote: post #229

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I see you've rediscovered the publisher vs. platform dichotomy! Those of us who believe in free speech understand that people will say things we don't like, and further understand that the sacrifice of ignoring content we dislike is worth it for the greater principle. I know this is difficult when people are saying things you believe to be untrue, but thus far nobody has come up with an alternative that doesn't resul…

I've never understood people's conflation of "I do not like your speech" with "censorship." A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship, for instance (the books still exist, just not in that bookstore), yet when we bring things into the digital realm for some reason people seem to lose the distinction. Let me put it this way. Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their ow…

Every era has its things it considers beyond decency to discuss. Most people agree with them, and even if they don't, they know to keep quiet.

Those who agree with the norms of 2020 also think many of the norms of past times were awful. Homosexuality was considered beyond decency not long ago. Race mixing, premarital sex as well. The list can be made very long.

So what are the chances that mainstream decency right now has found the perfect set of correct values, that never needs to be challenged?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by ilikehurdles »

core-questions wrote: post #366
ilikehurdles wrote: post #304

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There is nothing unreasonable about choosing alternatives for any of those.

Sorry, are you telling people to simply "start their own payment processor"? Do you realize what kind of an ask that is?

You're not entitled to Square or Visa or Paypal or Mastercard payments. If you're reduced to cryptocurrency and cash, it is what is is. Profiting from your speech in one specific way over another is not enshrined in some code of human rights.
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