We absolutely need firefox. I think chrome should be split from google.
Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#902There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…
Isn't the CEO pay here a classic example of principal-agent problem? In a commercial company, there would be activist investors pushing to cut manager's pay and change management. But I'm not familiar with this type of NGOs so well; who is supposed play the role of principal here? And are they not playing it properly?
The for-profit entity (Mozilla Corporation) is wholly owned by the non-profit entity (Mozilla Foundation) and Mitchell Baker leads both organizations. That is a conflict of interest. She should resign from one entity, but there is a compelling argument that she is a failure at leading both organizations.
FYI -- The foundation owns the IP, while the corporation manages software engineering and the Google search deal.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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This, I have been a long time FF on Android user, mostly due to the ability to run add-ons (ublock etc). Latest update complete botched it. Couple of hnags/restarts every day, jittery UI, unintuitive button placement (e.g. new tab)... I want to use Firefox (or any decent browser not based on chrome), for several reasons, but this way it gets harder and harder to justify to myself. What alternatives do we have for non…
>What alternatives do we have for non-chromium browsers that have a healthy plugin ecosystem? The obvious answer is: none. It always was Chrome or Firefox, everything else was so niche that 'healthy plugin ecosystem' is out of reach. And this very likely won't change for the better, pretty much everyone I know ditched Firefox in favor of chrome by now. We all want to love firefox, but at this point, staying invested…
Well, I just found out that Midori has an Android port [1]. It runs quite well! Though I'll probably go on using fennec for the foreseable future.
[1] https://www.f-droid.org/en/packages/org.midorinext.android/
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#904As someone who has used most of the mainstream and mainstream-alternative browsers since Netscape, I'm not sure I understand the position of Firefox in the marketplace. If I want to minimize friction, I use Chrome. If I want to use ancient web apps, I use an ancient version of IE. If I want privacy, I use Brave. Where is Firefox supposed to fit in for me?
To have an adblocker that works once Chrome eventually introduces manifest v3.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#905There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…
I wish Mozilla created a fundation so people can give to Firefox specifically, as opposed to Mozilla, the same way they did with Thunderbird. I for sure won't be giving to Mozilla until they change to reasonable leadership with reasonable compensation.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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Try the very latest release (81). I wrote earlier[0] that FF79 was too slow to start, buggy on tab switches, and missing most recent sites on the new tab. That's all been fixed as of FF81 as far as I can see. I also really like the new swipe-url-to-switch-tabs feature =D [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24280554
Then try it on a tablet, and go "What is this BS?" and start using Chrome, despite the fact that there is no NoScript, about:config, etc. Oh wait, no, just NoScript, because about:config doesn't work in Firefox for Android anymore.
About:config works just fine on my Android phone with Firefox 81.1.1-beta5. What seems to be the problem?
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#907As someone who has used most of the mainstream and mainstream-alternative browsers since Netscape, I'm not sure I understand the position of Firefox in the marketplace. If I want to minimize friction, I use Chrome. If I want to use ancient web apps, I use an ancient version of IE. If I want privacy, I use Brave. Where is Firefox supposed to fit in for me?
Many people use Firefox for privacy or addons.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#908This: "Mitchell Baker, Mozilla's top executive, was paid $2.4m in 2018, [..]. Payments to Baker have more than doubled in the last five years." and this at the same time: "Mozilla recently announced that they would be dismissing 250 people." It's shameful. Specially for a "non profit".
It's shameful period, non-profit or for-profit. But - don't hate the player, hate the game.
Our entire system has been setup like this for decades. 99% of earnings have been going to the top 1% for decades now.
I understand people who don't want to get behind BLM - I might not agree with them, but I "get" them.
But the fact that the country looked at Occupy Wallstreet and collectively shrugged its shoulders and said "I don't see a problem here" - well, here we are - slowly building back a feudal society while blaming the poorest amongst us for our troubles.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#909Shit like this pisses me off. I care for Firefox and the team behind it but how do you get rid of these vampires sucking the company dry? You've got executive pay going up, usage going down. Pivotal leaders being ousted, good workers being released, good features being removed and shit features being added. It's like managers and executives somehow dig their bureaucratic teeth into a successful company/project and th…
The desire to see consistent behavior as incompetence is a shield. Firefox was intentionally destroyed, and gets all of its revenue from the company who replaced it.
It's like Nokia all over again; the plurality of people who are watching this failure predict every step of it, but are denigrated as antisocial, selfish, mentally-ill trolls. As they leave, the ones who remain are attacked more, because now they're outnumbered in every conversation. Then the company fails.
Of course, in this case firefox will never disappear, but stumble along like a zombie, forever, because google needs it for antitrust purposes. Mozilla will do anything but work on its browser, at high salaries, rife with self-dealing and cush jobs handed out to the most connected, while claiming the languishing firefox as its emotional core and charitable mission. The work done on firefox will consist of tests for things that chrome is thinking of doing, or the non-disableable incorporation of acquired companies or partners into its functionality.
There's no system for calling them out on this other than just calling them out on this. They don't have any duty to us.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#910> Mobile browsing numbers are bleak: Firefox barely exists on phones, with a market share of less than half a percent. This is baffling given that mobile Firefox has a rare feature for a mobile browser: it's able to install extensions and so can block ads. This is true, and indeed very strange. I use FF on mobile and it works perfectly. So Mozilla's problems aren't only technical, there's also a question of market aw…
Is there a unique value proposition to use Firefox on iOS, since due to Apple policy, they can't have addons? Even Firefox Focus' content blocker works on Safari and not the main Firefox app
Firefox Focus also wipes itself frequently, which means that you can't be tracked across sites as easily. I look forward to updating to iOS 14 so I can set FFF as my default browser.
My typical workflow is: (1) search for something in FFF, (2) if it's something I want to stay alive so I can read later, I share it to FF, (3) if it's something that I need to be logged in for, I share it to Safari, where I'm logged into various sites.
It is annoying that I have to manually open FFF each time, instead of being able to use Siri to trigger a search or the systemwide search. Hopefully both of these search options will use my default browser in iOS 14.