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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by marcus_holmes »

fluidcruft wrote: post #852
chmod775 wrote: post #628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could save a lot of jobs by cutting into the CEOs salary, jobs of people who actually do something productive.

If the numbers in these threads are correct (CEO compensation at $2.5m/year, 250 employees laid off) then the entirety of executive compensation would only cover $10k/year of each laid off worker's compensation.

Add in a couple of VP's and the gap will lessen.

The point is not so much that the CEO's pay directly matches the salaries of the sacked employees, more that the CEO is clearly focused on their personal goals, rather than the organisational goals.

CEO's who reduce their salary in order to keep more staff on in lean times are servants of their organisation. CEO's who sack staff to save money so they can increase their own salary see the organisation as their servant.

It's not a crime to be greedy, but being greedy is a clear signal of your values and goals.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by patrickaljord »

ab_testing wrote: post #888

I have a contrarian view that as a private company Firefox has a freedom to do whatever with the money as they see fit . Just because they are a non profit, does not mean that they need to listen to recommendations on how to best run their company. They know that they would be dead in the water if not for google’s money. So their loyalty lies in keeping google happy and their money flowing . If I was on the board of…

Google money is only guaranteed in so far as Firefox keeps its market share. Do you think Google will still be sending them money once their market share is close to 0%? Keeping Google money flowing should be balanced with growing their market share, if only to keep Google money from flowing. Unfortunately, keeping Google happy is orthogonal to growing their market share as what most Firefox users want is basically Brave with more freedom to install extensions. They're getting neither of these right now.

Some people say that Google will keep sending them money no matter what as a defense against monopoly accusations but it is doubtful this would stop the billion fines from EU and others, it hasn't in the past.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by staticassertion »

gok wrote: post #885
staticassertion wrote: post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took a major financial hit to be a CEO, and as a CEO I feel personally responsible for the company's success. My compensation is primarily in ownership and stock - I would never take a massive pay raise if my company were failing, let alone repeated massive raises over years of company downturn. And then to wipe out a massive portion of your employee base? I find it abhorrent, personally.

> My compensation is primarily in ownership and stock This would be impossible for Mozilla's structure

I'm certainly curious as to why, they have a board and shareholders, no? Regardless, it changes little about my point. I'm not saying a CEO shouldn't earn a nice salary, but to repeatedly take raises during a downturn, a downturn so severe you had to completely gut projects, is gross.

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Post by pseudalopex »

zackees wrote: post #868
jacquesm wrote: post #100

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

The last CEO and Founder was outed because he donated to a Christian Organization and the Firefox code of conduct was used against him saying this was discrimination against gays. So the CEO left and started Brave and Firefox is now imploding. Good. Let Firefox burn. They should have never weaponized their code of conduct.

The last CEO was Chris Beard. Eich was CEO for 11 days. He donated to Yes on 8 not a Christian organization. Donations are public. He resigned under pressure from Mozilla employees and the public. It wasn't because of a formal code of conduct.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by krferriter »

fluidcruft wrote: post #852
chmod775 wrote: post #628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could save a lot of jobs by cutting into the CEOs salary, jobs of people who actually do something productive.

If the numbers in these threads are correct (CEO compensation at $2.5m/year, 250 employees laid off) then the entirety of executive compensation would only cover $10k/year of each laid off worker's compensation.

They couldn't keep on all the developers they fired, but they could keep some of them. On top of that, the optics of the situation aren't good for the company brand. Increasing executive pay while firing productive workers, particularly at a non-profit, seems generally frowned upon.

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Post by pseudalopex »

sergeykish wrote: post #802
joshstrange wrote: post #761

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> Mr. Eich once gave $1K to a cause that was anti-gay. And $2.1K to a prop 8 supporter [0] > He backtracked and apologized but was cancelled anyways. This is lie and you are re-writing history. I can find no such statement from him. In fact all he said was he wanted to "express my sorrow at having caused pain" [1], the classic "I'm sorry your were offended by that" non-apology. He has never stated that his support of…

I honestly do not understand. He said his personal opinions are not going to affect his decisions. And I'm sure he can believe in whatever he wants - in Christ, Flat Earth and Aliens if he wants. As outsider it looks like in recent years the most vocal shaming is not of gay or fat but shaming of whoever does not participate in shaming. I really hope that these are not true representatives of LGBT community.

He also said preventing same sex couples from marrying wasn't discrimination. Why should someone trust him not to discriminate when he doesn't know what discrimination is?

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Post by pseudalopex »

runarberg wrote: post #776
djsumdog wrote: post #748

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> Brendan Eich's homophobia All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money. Show me where he has come put publicly as fearing homosexuals. We are in a dangerous world of viewpoint discrimination. A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual. We all disagree on things; some of us on things we consider core unalienable rights and values. But at…

How is supporting anti-gay movements not an act of homophobia? I guess you are arguing semantics here, that you have to be literally afraid of homosexuals to be considered a homophobe. Well—though technically correct—this is not how most people use this word, and you know it. In current speech homophobe is anybody that acts maliciously against an LGBTQ+ person or the LGBTQ+ community as a whole.

It isn't even technically correct. Hydrophobic molecules aren't afraid of water.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by mumbisChungo »

As someone who has used most of the mainstream and mainstream-alternative browsers since Netscape, I'm not sure I understand the position of Firefox in the marketplace.

If I want to minimize friction, I use Chrome.

If I want to use ancient web apps, I use an ancient version of IE.

If I want privacy, I use Brave.

Where is Firefox supposed to fit in for me?

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