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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by pseudalopex »

djsumdog wrote: post #754
dotancohen wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that we have the person who arguably most understands the domain of web browsers, online privacy, and all the legal and ethical aspect thereof, working on another Chromium-based browser. I do not need to elaborate on why a diverse browser ecosystem is important, there are enough threads on that already. Mozilla had this jewel, exactly what it needed to succeed and make the web a better place. He was at…

I wonder why Eich went with Chromium/Blink and didn't decide to continue to use Firefox/Gecko as the basis for Brave?

Embedding Gecko is harder.

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Post by anm89 »

drenvuk wrote: post #15

Shit like this pisses me off. I care for Firefox and the team behind it but how do you get rid of these vampires sucking the company dry? You've got executive pay going up, usage going down. Pivotal leaders being ousted, good workers being released, good features being removed and shit features being added. It's like managers and executives somehow dig their bureaucratic teeth into a successful company/project and th…

Why would there be a way to force a private company to do something they don't want to? How would that even work.

As a private company it is their right to fail.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by dingaling »

room500 wrote: post #731
TheOperator wrote: post #593

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Pay should be relative to your value to the company and the CEO is not providing said value. You are allowed to run a company that gasp drives down average CEO pay instead of herding your pay brackets.

I disagree. Pay should be relative to the market rate for their skills - capped at your value to the company. If a company needs to buy some widget - and this widget is worth $100 to the company - the company would be foolhardy to ignore the market and pay $100. Instead, the company should be looking at different suppliers and choosing one with the best quality, price, etc. If there is a lot of supply, it might be ab…

If the widget provides $100 of value, just buy it for $100 and save all the manhours wasted in tendering.

Tendering encourages reduction of quality in order to minimise cost. It wastes time, and time is money. And quite often it means that opportunities are lost whilst wading through tedious processes.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by nec4b »

joshstrange wrote: post #769
nec4b wrote: post #766

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Being against gay marriage makes you a homophobe as much as being against minors voting makes you a pedophobe.

> Being against gay marriage makes you a homophobe as much as being against minors voting makes you a pedophobe. - nec4b Except it 100% does not and your statement makes absolutely no sense. One is a right you taking away from a group of people you don't agree with and the other doesn't even follow. What? Being against letting minors vote somehow makes you /not/ want to have sex with children? What is that even suppo…

Firstly pedophobe is somebody who dislikes children not some one who wants to have sex with them (pedophile). You are the one doing the dog whistle thing. The point is that marriage as well as voting right is not something you can take away as it exists only as a social construct. The state decides who is entitled to a right to get married as well as at what age somebody gets to vote. The society could decide tomorrow that it doesn't care about marriage and that no special rights should be granted to married people straight or gay. And that doesn't make the people voting for it any kind of -phobes.

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Post by zobzu »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

reducing their 2.5M a year salary would definitely be unfair for their family. Think of the children!!

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Post by nv-vn »

kbrosnan wrote: post #758
jerome-jh wrote: post #518

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Thanks for the info. Since the capability is still there, maybe they could ask after the update: "would you like to give a try to our new UI?". A reminder a few days later would give the opportunity to commit to the new UI or revert to the old one. That would be IMO classier.

There was an onboarding screen when you first launched Firefox that offered several choices. One of them was address bar at top. Others include dark mode and strict tracking protection.

I didn't get that. I think it's something they added in a second update after complaints from people who already updated

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Post by reaperducer »

mywacaday wrote: post #466
austincheney wrote: post #453

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Previously they had appointed an excellent CEO from within that is universally well respected for his technology contributions and then they fired him after 11 days without cause. Now that guy is a CEO at a different company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich

Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.

Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign

It used to be that it was OK to know and be friends with people who had different views than you. It was called "being an adult."

Now we're all in these ever-shrinking thought bubbles where if someone's views don't line up with yours 100%, they're the devil.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Antonin Scalia couldn't be farther apart on most issues. But they were the best of friends.

We're all children by comparison.

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Post by zobzu »

jacquesm wrote: post #100

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

The CEO is the Chairwoman and pretty much owns the Board. i.e. the CEO will not be laid-off. They can step down, if they want to.

I'm pretty sure they want to milk this to the end though, there's a reason their salary skyrocketed after the co-founder, Eich, left Mozilla...

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Post by BickNowstrom »

cultus wrote: post #619
zeveb wrote: post #575

> Out of curiosity, do you know of any companies in your field where the CEO believes you personally don't deserve rights? Would you work for that company? Tim Cook supports gun control. I wouldn't work for Apple, but the CEO's position on gun control isn't part of that decision.

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What disadvantage do you see from being a LGBT minority in tech? For instance, what disadvantage do bisexuals suffer vs. straight people?

The disadvantage of having a minority political view is clear to me: You better hope someone does not pull it out of the closet for you, or you're going to get cancelled for undesirable diversity of thought.

The disadvantage of having a minority sexual preference is not clear to me at all. Especially, if like Eich, you keep it on the down-low (I posit nobody should be interested in who you sleep with on the weekends, nor what legal cause you donate to). It seems that, all things equal, you'll have a leg up over other candidates, if you are progressive-left, black, woman, and lesbian, if only so corporate and diversity initiatives can right some perceived disadvantaged wrong, which totally eludes me.

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