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As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by eloff »

gilrain wrote: post #36
eloff wrote: post #14

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I agree, I've got nothing against transgender people. I've got a problem with transgender activists going after people like J.K. Rowling, and trying to deplatform her, for her completely reasonable opinions. Fortunately in her case, she's too successful to deplatform, no publishing company is that stupid to turn her away. I'm also deeply horrified what's happening to young girls especially where they are deciding the…

Wow dude, being trans is not a "contagion of the mind". This is wildly and dangerously hateful.

I actually explained why this is often, but not always, a contagion of the mind. I'll spell it out for you "dude":

If there's some property "being trans" which functions like we think "being gay" does, either set biologically or early on in life or some combination of those, then you expect this property to be relatively randomly distributed in the population.

What you see instead is one teenage girl transitions and then her friends are far more likely to also transition. The effect clusters around social relationships. Hence it's a social contagion of the mind.

Again not in all cases, I'm not denying there are real trans people out there who benefit from transitioning.

Dr. Debrah Soh lays the argument out in much greater detail and with supporting citations in her book: https://www.amazon.ca/End-Gender-Debunking-Identity-Society/...

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by BTCOG »

greenduck wrote: post #107
Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

I mentioned this elsewhere, but people on HN eat up the argument of "do your own research, make up your own mind" as an excuse for not challenging even obvious the most obvious BS. I don't know about you, but I don't have the time to do quality research of every guest he has on. Even if I did, I can't match the manpower or experience of a professional media outlet to do even basic fact checking. For stuff that isn't…

That is solely your problem that you don't understand it's on you to verify information. You as a student don't have time to quickly look up basic information on topics? Then I suggest that you also don't have time to listen to 3-4 hour podcasts for enjoyment. I work 60 hours a week and I never understand that frail argument. If you buy into information spoken freely, it is solely on you. I understand that by you mentioning you are a student, you are likely quite young. 10 or even 20 years from now you many not even hold these opinions you are forming currently. You may wish to actually preserve free speech.

Who is fact checking your teachers if you don't have the time to do these things? Do you just accept that whatever your teachers are now telling you within a school setting are true, fact, or something you should follow?

I can think back 15-20 years ago to multiple things teachers told me to accept as true or fact that were really just a teacher pushing their own agenda/ideology or belief on an entire classroom of impressionable youths.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by UncleMeat »

manigandham wrote: post #145
UncleMeat wrote: post #139

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But he chooses his guests. You can’t say he exercises no editorial control over the content of the show because he just lets the conversation flow. He chose to have Alex Jones on.

I didn't say that, only that he doesn't limit the conversation. Of course he chooses his guests, and I choose whether to listen or not. And in case you didn't know, Joe Rogan has been personal friends with Alex Jones since the 90s. To him, he's just another friend on the podcast.

> To him, he's just another friend on the podcast.

I know. And to people critical of Rogan's editorial choices, he is a malicious liar who was given a massive platform with which to share his views in an uncritical setting.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by eloff »

jdashg wrote: post #67
eloff wrote: post #14

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I agree, I've got nothing against transgender people. I've got a problem with transgender activists going after people like J.K. Rowling, and trying to deplatform her, for her completely reasonable opinions. Fortunately in her case, she's too successful to deplatform, no publishing company is that stupid to turn her away. I'm also deeply horrified what's happening to young girls especially where they are deciding the…

This whole second paragraph is FUD, as should be obvious from the phasing "irrevocable harm to their bodies". Dismissal as a "social phenomenon" is naive in the extreme, as is the author's revealed ignorance of mainstream medicine's approach to transgender minors.

You think taking male hormones as a teenage girl is harmless - you know it can make them sterile right? How about a radical double mastectomy?

This has real, irreversible effects. Shame on the adults for pushing parents or forcing parents to accept this, and shame on you for dismissing my very valid concerns as FUD.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by [deleted] »

UncleMeat wrote: post #153
manigandham wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that, only that he doesn't limit the conversation. Of course he chooses his guests, and I choose whether to listen or not. And in case you didn't know, Joe Rogan has been personal friends with Alex Jones since the 90s. To him, he's just another friend on the podcast.

> To him, he's just another friend on the podcast. I know. And to people critical of Rogan's editorial choices, he is a malicious liar who was given a massive platform with which to share his views in an uncritical setting.

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by chowyuncat »

manigandham wrote: post #145
UncleMeat wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But he chooses his guests. You can’t say he exercises no editorial control over the content of the show because he just lets the conversation flow. He chose to have Alex Jones on.

I didn't say that, only that he doesn't limit the conversation. Of course he chooses his guests, and I choose whether to listen or not. And in case you didn't know, Joe Rogan has been personal friends with Alex Jones since the 90s. To him, he's just another friend on the podcast.

Alex Jones is a terrible human being. Rogan is another con man in Jones’ vein, and the fact that they’re friends should tell you that Rogan isn’t a good person, either. Nobody who chooses to amplify Jones can be considered a decent person.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by BTCOG »

dilyevsky wrote: post #18
vannevar wrote: post #15

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This is a straw man argument. There's a big difference between simply vetting your guests to weed out quacks, and pushing some single-minded idea of orthodoxy.

No it isn’t. As I said if you want your microwaved lasagna go watch 60 minutes. I want to see Dorsey, Jones etc for the lunatics that they are and be thoroughly entertained by it

I really just want to say that your comments have been hopeful and refreshing. Thank you.

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Post by asguy »

UncleMeat wrote: post #153
manigandham wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that, only that he doesn't limit the conversation. Of course he chooses his guests, and I choose whether to listen or not. And in case you didn't know, Joe Rogan has been personal friends with Alex Jones since the 90s. To him, he's just another friend on the podcast.

> To him, he's just another friend on the podcast. I know. And to people critical of Rogan's editorial choices, he is a malicious liar who was given a massive platform with which to share his views in an uncritical setting.

Have you actually watched any of the shows with Alex Jones on JRE? What I’ve seen is Rogan doing a great job of calling him on his BS, while still being friendly. I wouldn’t call it an ‘uncritical setting’.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by manigandham »

UncleMeat wrote: post #153
manigandham wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that, only that he doesn't limit the conversation. Of course he chooses his guests, and I choose whether to listen or not. And in case you didn't know, Joe Rogan has been personal friends with Alex Jones since the 90s. To him, he's just another friend on the podcast.

> To him, he's just another friend on the podcast. I know. And to people critical of Rogan's editorial choices, he is a malicious liar who was given a massive platform with which to share his views in an uncritical setting.

And those people should perhaps listen to the episodes to see that it was far from uncritical, or they will ironically continue in the same ignorance they claim the show to have.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by curryst »

throwaway33339 wrote: post #74
catmistake wrote: post #39

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I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there. FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socia…

Leaving aside the usual quip about HN being an endless source of entertainment when it comes to attempting to comprehend basic concepts in biology that they weren't taught in high school, I'm wondering about something. What's with the propensity for the typical HNer, and the tech demographic in general, to subscribe to the whole alpha/beta charade in the first place? Your average programmer isn't usually a bodybuilde…

I've always figured it was an ego-preservation mechanism. Subscribers to this belief don't see themselves as successful or attractive, but being successful or attractive is a major part of their sense of self-worth. The emotionally healthy response would be to address why they don't see themselves as attractive or successful, or maybe to question whether those make sense as part of their self worth.

Some people can't or won't do those options though, so their brains move to the next option to preserve their sense of self-worth: deflection. They believe they are unsuccessful or unattractive, but they can preserve some of their self-worth by believing that their perceived lack of success or attractiveness is due to factors outside their control. They were born into a hierarchy stacked against them, or they just weren't born with the right genes to concede. They're caught between a rock and a hard place; they either tell themselves that they're failures but it's okay because it's someone else's fault, or they tell themselves that they're failures and they only have themselves to blame. They literally can't see the third option, which is to tell themselves they aren't worthless.

People who would genuinely consider themselves alphas don't generally subscribe to these beliefs. There are some that claim it, but I'm frankly convinced that deep down theyre terrified they might be a beta, which is what causes the constant dick measuring in those communities as they fight to prove to themselves they really are alpha. Joe Rogan doesn't give a shit about the alpha/beta male thing because he's confident that his life has value. I'm a casual, occasional listener, and I wouldn't accuse him of being overly macho. He speaks confidently, but I don't think arrogantly. I don't think he's as clever as he's often given credit for, but that's not a mortal sin. Schwarzenegger is an even better example. Physically, the man is a paragon of traditional masculinity, but he bears no resemblance to the alpha male persona.

I genuinely have a lot of empathy for people that subscribe to the alpha male thing. I can't imagine the mental anguish of living an existence where you construct a mental hierarchy you are at the bottom of, because it's the best light you can think of yourself ever being in. It's easy to get lost in hating them because of how toxicly they expose their views, but underneath it all is just a person who's lashing out because they hurt.

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