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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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No, it's not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23442027

This one is not privacy violation although it’s significant misbehaving. Thanks for sharing!

Brave has plenty of deliberate "misbehaving" and therefore is not to be trusted.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance? I don't root for anyone to lose their job, but in this case, it seems like the leadership of Mozilla is failing to lead them in the right direction. I don't see how that gets rewarded. If my performance metrics at work go down 85% - I'm probably getting fired. In this case, executive performance metrics should be closely tied…

No it's not obvious. It's actually the #1 problem in Big corporations' governance.

If you are a For Profit company with share-holders, you can define performance as money gain by shareholders, i.e financial performance. This is always short term and it's the #1 cited reason why private long term investment has basically disappeared in the last 40 years. BigCo are managed with a 6m horizon and both eyes lock on the stock prices.

But if you are a non-profit how do you define performance ? How do you define Good ? What horizon do you set ?

And BTW : why do you think higher comp will lead to better work ? Was Einstein the most paid individual ?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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I'm really not a big fan of Google's tracking-friendly browser. However, I hate Mozilla's hypocrisy even more, trying to act like the defendants of privacy, but dependent on mis-aligned cash. In the end, I chose Chrome as a protest against this hypocrisy.

Only on Hacker News will people argue that using the defaults is taking a moral stance...

Disagree. For people caring about privacy recommending Firefox has/had been the default for a long time. At this point in time many are conflicted. Clearly moz://a is in bed with major privacy violators and can not be trusted, this has been the case for god knows how long. What is the way forward? Rooting they will change course RealSoon now, or just abandoning the ship and hoping once they are put out of their misery something better will take their place?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.

I don't know, man. It's easy to get all abstract with phrases like "support a cause" but we live in a concrete world. Mozilla employs a lot of gay people. Prop 8 was viciously homophobic, both in concept and especially in execution of its campaign. How would you feel going to work knowing your boss's boss thinks you don't deserve rights?

By that definition, Obama was viciously homophobic[0]. How many people who wanted Eich fired voted for Obama in 2008?

[0] https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/08/obama-says-...

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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I'm two fences on Firefox doing "too many unrelated things" as the article suggests. Firefox OS has been pretty much unsuccessful, but it sort of made sense? It started to be made when Firefox was still on top on desktop, but mobile started eating its lunch; and it was clear that Firefox need to do something about it, or the future will be all Chrome and Safari, on the two locked-down platforms. Which eventually happ…

I agree FF OS & Persona were tackling the right problems at the time. I'm not sure about the solutions they proposed, especially for Persona. Maybe to tamed.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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>The top bar moved to the bottom. There's an option to restore its rightful position at the top.

Thanks for the info. Since the capability is still there, maybe they could ask after the update: "would you like to give a try to our new UI?". A reminder a few days later would give the opportunity to commit to the new UI or revert to the old one. That would be IMO classier.

So true. It's really frustrating when UI overhauls are forced. I understand that with all the changes under the hood, they felt that this was the right time, but a tick-tock cycle is more user friendly and UI changes should be rolled out incrementally to avoid disrupting everyone's workflow. That said, after a few weeks I am happy with the new mobile firefox. The url bar on the bottom is actually easier for me to reach with one hand, which I do a lot. And it seems faster and more stable than before.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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This article has many problems. One of the main problems is that the immediate reason for Firefox losing market share is totally outside the control of the CEO or anyone else at Mozilla: Google pouring billions into Chrome, both actual billions of dollars and similar resources "in kind", like free advertising on the world's most popular Web properties (i.e. Google's). The best CEO in the world can't magically come up with a strategy to counter that.

Another problem is that it's all very well to wish for an alternative revenue stream, but the reality is maintaining a competitive browser with an independent browser engine and the wraparound service regular users expect (accounts, updates, sync etc) costs hundreds of millions a year. Finding an alternative source for revenue like that is just really incredibly hard. Mozilla's been trying for a long time. Saying "Mozilla needs an alternative revenue stream" is just not helpful at all.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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This article has many problems. One of the main problems is that the immediate reason for Firefox losing market share is totally outside the control of the CEO or anyone else at Mozilla: Google pouring billions into Chrome, both actual billions of dollars and similar resources "in kind", like free advertising on the world's most popular Web properties (i.e. Google's). The best CEO in the world can't magically come up…

>The best CEO in the world can't magically come up with a strategy to counter that.

The fuck is the CEO getting paid for, theN?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Don't get infuriated at someone for something they were mis-quoted at saying. See the original statement here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24565071

“That's too big a discount to ask people and their families to commit to.“ Doesn’t seem to be much of a misquote. Poor Mitchell Baker. She’ll just have to suffer with her non-discounted salary.

I'm not defending her argument or agreeing with it, I just think that the rest of the quote adds important context. Quoting that last sentence alone almost makes it seem like the bad excuse a child would make. Her actual point is that asking executives to take an 80% pay cut to go work at Mozilla is going to make it difficult to attract talented people, not that lowering the current compensation would cause the current executive team's families to suffer.

Again, I don't agree with that since clearly the higher salaries are not attracting any talented executives either.

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