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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by srtjstjsj »

antonyh wrote: post #306

I'd pay hansomely for Firefox but only if the funds go into development, not into fat cats wallets. I'd also pay to remove junk like Pocket, or rather I'd consider paying for Pocket as a separate service. It irks me that it's forced into my browser. I want to be free of Google. This includes Chromium which has too much of Google included. Mozilla is the last hope of a free (as in speech) internet. On iOS Apple have e…

> I'd pay hansomely for Firefox but only if the funds go into development,

Send money to people on the SCM commit history.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by zimablue »

jboog wrote: post #469
sangnoir wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. I have a problem with characterizing Brendan Eich as a bigot for donating to a non-fringe political group. IIRC, the proposition campaign he donated to had close to a 50/50 split in support for/against. Eich's ouster cryst…

The leader of a large tech company was the government to ensure his gay and lesbian employees can never legally get married, despite straight employees enjoying all the personal/financial benefits of marriage. I don't care if it had 50/50 support. It's dead wrong. 50 years ago there were places in the US where interracial marriage had 50/50 support or less. Still dead wrong.

One could make an equally (actually more) compelling argument that anyone supporting (state-subsidised/recognised) marriage is being very discriminatory towards asexuals, polygamists, people who for any reason are unable to form a monogamous partnership.

George Bernard Shore: Forgive him, for he believes that the customs of his tribe are the laws of nature.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by CodeGlitch »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #361
CodeGlitch wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but he wasn't woke enough so they got rid of a capable CEO. "Get woke go broke" Mozilla. Sorry if I sound bitter, but I love Firefox and hate to see it loosing users.

This is an extraordinarily easy view to take from a position where your boss isn't proudly making an effort to try and prevent you from gaining access to certain rights. I reckon if everybody who felt like chipping in with their lazy armchair analysis of "SJW mobs ruining Firefox" instead spent their time fixing a bug or two, then maybe they'd be happier with the state of the browser they claim to love so much.

You're right in that he's views are very "20th Century". I don't agree in witch-hunts and the way he was dealt with by the mob (as is very common in today's Western society).

I'm very happy with the state of the Firefox software, and have in the past contributed finanically to Mozilla (not anymore :().

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by eitland »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

You'll find me criticizing them a lot but in their defense: I would probably not have been able to renegotiate that Google deal earlier this year given how Google basically does whatever they want in the browser space for now, so it seems they do something.

That said: to me it comes off as a bit done deaf to raise salaries for top execs in a non profit while firing the people who does the work and also I cannot see how anything should be prioritized if the situation is critical except:

- the main revenue driver and simultaneously their biggest contribution to fulfilling their mission, Firefox.

- initiatives to add more reliable sources of income for the long run.

Deprioritizing Firefox seems crazy in such a situation.

(I know nothing about their actual plans but I could come up with is if they are cutting spending to save up money for an endowment fund, but I guess that is just wishful thinking.)

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by srtjstjsj »

londons_explore wrote: post #22

The main difference here is a US tech Vs UK corporate culture. Mozilla's approach is "spend lots of cash and grow fast like a VC backed company". The guardian is a "let's try and have a stable user base and keep the company alive for another 100 years". In this case, Mozilla's approach has failed badly. I think it's unlikely they'll turn it around without the help of another big tech company making a strategic purcha…

One is a newspaper and the other is a software developer.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by accountLost »

jacquesm wrote: post #309
sangnoir wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. I have a problem with characterizing Brendan Eich as a bigot for donating to a non-fringe political group. IIRC, the proposition campaign he donated to had close to a 50/50 split in support for/against. Eich's ouster cryst…

I'm still a FF evangelist though it is getting harder by the day. Eich should have realized that his actions as CEO of a highly visible entity would be viewed in a different light than if he were merely just another nobody. Missing that was his crucial mistake, he could have made the donation anonymously, but decided to do it in his own name making it a given that this would be associated with Mozilla. That was stupi…

bigot : a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions (google definition). So maybe half of the country is made up of bigots but they are from both side. The other half are those that don't have strong opinions or simply don't care.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by bogwog »

chrisco255 wrote: post #260
shp0ngle wrote: post #213

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Right? Native is by nature faster, which makes sense on the resource sensitive devices. webOS (the Palm thing) did the same mistake, I think. It makes sense on desktop, and even there people keep complaining about Electron performance.

I have an LG WebOS television and it runs extremely smoothly. VS Code is an electron app and nobody complains about its performance. Ultimately webOS didn't lose because it was web tech. It lost because Android and iOS already captured the market. Windows Phone was a .NET runtime with similar performance to Java, but it failed to capture the market even with billions in Microsoft subsidies.

> I have an LG WebOS television and it runs extremely smoothly.

To counter that anecdote, I have an LG WebOS television and it is constantly freezing, I frequently have to power cycle it just to launch Netflix, it automatically updates itself without my consent, and each update seems to make it slower, or break something. Simply navigating the menu is a pain because of how unresponsive and slow it is, and setting it up required me to agree to a bunch of privacy policies.

To be fair, I blame LG for that more than WebOS. I don't really know anything about WebOS and how it relates to web tech, but I do remember using it many years ago on an HP TouchPad tablet. That was a great tablet experience at the time; way better than anything Android had to offer (except for the larger catalog of apps)

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by srtjstjsj »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #523

Was Eich a turning point in Mozilla’s failure? I remember almost all my distant family in other parts of the country cancelling Mozilla because of the situation. (Remember this is the organization being well run previously, until someone dug through private political data and found the previous CEO had made donations that were deemed double plus ungood by a minority of stakeholders.)

Not really.

The "web" (and mobile) just got big and expensive and Mozilla couldn't keep up. Just look at Apple and Google revenue and it's obvious that Mozilla couldn't sustain.

Compounding the problem is that the more money they made, the easier they could buy out all the Mozilla employees who aren't politically committed against Google and Apple.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by bobblywobbles »

When CEO's feel they aren't paid fairly, let's raise their salary, yet many millions cannot make enough to have an average life in America.

I'm not an advocate of socialism, but I think there should be more thought about egregious CEO salaries. Like another poster said, why are not CEO salaries tied to performance? Almost every other role in a company's salary is tied to their individual performance.

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