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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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> Does Linux have a CEO? https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/leadership/

Keep in mind the Linux foundation is mostly a vehicle for a bunch of empty suits to cash in on "all things Linux". The influence on kernel development is negligible except for the occasional cringe moment.

What a surprise they share board members!

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

I realise some people didn't agree with his politics, but I wonder what the trajectory of the company would have been under Brendan Eich.

How could you know that? He was CEO for 2 weeks.

He took concrete actions to damage LGBT people. That's not just an opinion.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Judging by the numerous projects Mozilla has launched and then abandoned in recent years, it seems the people running it are searching for new hit products, instead of investing for the long term on development of services and infrastructure that will benefit humankind for years and decades to come. Quoting from the OP:

"In recent years Mozilla has created:

* a mobile app for making websites

* a federated identity system

* a large file transfer service

* a password manager

* an internet-of-things framework/standard

* an email relay service

* a completely new phone operating system

* an AI division (but of course)

* and spent $25 million buying the reading list management startup, Pocket

Many of the above are now abandoned."

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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The whole "need to fight native with the web tech" thing is flawed. I am not sure where that idea came from, but it does no good for anyone.

Right? Native is by nature faster, which makes sense on the resource sensitive devices. webOS (the Palm thing) did the same mistake, I think. It makes sense on desktop, and even there people keep complaining about Electron performance.

Android has a product line called "Go" that enables apps on low end phones by making alternate versions that are...webviews.

Electron is bad because it uses a separate browser engine per app. Webviews don't have that problem.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#625

Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance? I don't root for anyone to lose their job, but in this case, it seems like the leadership of Mozilla is failing to lead them in the right direction. I don't see how that gets rewarded. If my performance metrics at work go down 85% - I'm probably getting fired. In this case, executive performance metrics should be closely tied…

Mozilla as many other software companies plays with words and their meaning trying to develop newspeak instead of working on a browser, and most importantly wants to abolish meritocracy because it does not suit their needs of diversity, see: https://blog.mozilla.org/careers/words-matter-moving-beyond-...

So please remember: every time you want to say 'meritocracy', you say 'discrimination' instead. Therefore, any your statement about performance is not valid.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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This is a pretty unfair article. The author presents firefox market share (a relative term) on one axis and CEO pay (an absolute term) on the other. The sad reality is that the CEO pay should be a relative metric to tech companies of similar size in the bay area, where Mozilla is based. Or at least US tech companies of similar scale. As the internet has enveloped the globe in the last 10 years, a huge amount of money…

> The sad reality is that the CEO pay should be a relative metric to tech companies of similar size in the bay area, where Mozilla is based. Or at least US tech companies of similar scale.

Or move to Europe or Asia and get 2-5x output per Google Search dollar.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.

I don't know, man. It's easy to get all abstract with phrases like "support a cause" but we live in a concrete world. Mozilla employs a lot of gay people. Prop 8 was viciously homophobic, both in concept and especially in execution of its campaign. How would you feel going to work knowing your boss's boss thinks you don't deserve rights?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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This: "Mitchell Baker, Mozilla's top executive, was paid $2.4m in 2018, [..]. Payments to Baker have more than doubled in the last five years." and this at the same time: "Mozilla recently announced that they would be dismissing 250 people." It's shameful. Specially for a "non profit".

You could save a lot of jobs by cutting into the CEOs salary, jobs of people who actually do something productive.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Still it makes no sense to pay people millions of dollars when a company is not doing well financially. In this regards what Iwata did while being CEO of Nintendo during hardship (cutting his salary in half and getting no bonus) is the way to go.

If you don’t pay competitively, you won’t get someone who can do the job well. You might get lucky with someone cheaper, but it will require that luck. The fact is that 2.5 million probably isn’t enough to get the kind of turnaround leader Mozilla needs. They have no revenue model. You’re basically handing a CEO a bunch of talented devs and free products and saying “make a revenue stream” for products where their com…

A good CEO of a charity would be pumping their excess income back into the charity, so there's either no need to worry about pay or clearly the CEO is wrong.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

If it's unfair on your families to be making only a million dollars a year instead of two and a half, what does that say about the ~99% of America who makes less than a million dollars a year?

When low paid workers ask for a raise we tell them it's not about your need, it's about your contribution.

But for execs it's about their need.

Once again, it's down to rich vs poor. Rules for thee but not for me.

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