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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by karlkatzke »

dcchambers wrote: post #598

Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance? I don't root for anyone to lose their job, but in this case, it seems like the leadership of Mozilla is failing to lead them in the right direction. I don't see how that gets rewarded. If my performance metrics at work go down 85% - I'm probably getting fired. In this case, executive performance metrics should be closely tied…

> Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance?

Short term or long term? How do you measure performance in a way that can't be gamed? How do you prevent alignment of the company to achieve the metrics you set at the expense of all of the other things that make a thriving corporation?

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Post by cultus »

dotancohen wrote: post #343
threatofrain wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We see Eich with his own browser vision and executive style over at Brave, where he is unencumbered by legacy bureaucracy or codebases. He wouldn’t have been as free if he were at Mozilla.

The problem is that we have the person who arguably most understands the domain of web browsers, online privacy, and all the legal and ethical aspect thereof, working on another Chromium-based browser. I do not need to elaborate on why a diverse browser ecosystem is important, there are enough threads on that already. Mozilla had this jewel, exactly what it needed to succeed and make the web a better place. He was at…

Eich voted to deny gay people rights that straight people have. That's not a personal belief, that's a concrete damaging action borne of bigotry.

If he had shown actual remorse for doing this, he would have been fine. But he didn't.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by mobilefriendly »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #610
dcchambers wrote: post #598

Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance? I don't root for anyone to lose their job, but in this case, it seems like the leadership of Mozilla is failing to lead them in the right direction. I don't see how that gets rewarded. If my performance metrics at work go down 85% - I'm probably getting fired. In this case, executive performance metrics should be closely tied…

Supply and demand dictates pay. People who rise to become CEOs are not going to take bad contracts.

I don't think this is true at the CEO level. A big reason why CEO's get big pay packages is to incentivize all the aspiring middle managers to work hard.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by syshum »

patrec wrote: post #158
jacquesm wrote: post #100

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

Do you see any realistic chance of this happening? Generally if a company is captured by a parasitic leadership sucking it dry, that's it, right? Is there anyone on the board whose interests are more aligned with keeping Mozilla alive (probably hard to do at this point) than feasting on it whilst there is still something left to feast on? Presumably you'd need a few such people.

Well if she were to post any kind of Right Leaning political views they would get rid of her pretty quick.... They have a history of that

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Post by jjoonathan »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #610
dcchambers wrote: post #598

Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance? I don't root for anyone to lose their job, but in this case, it seems like the leadership of Mozilla is failing to lead them in the right direction. I don't see how that gets rewarded. If my performance metrics at work go down 85% - I'm probably getting fired. In this case, executive performance metrics should be closely tied…

Supply and demand dictates pay. People who rise to become CEOs are not going to take bad contracts.

Power dictates pay.

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Post by josefx »

renewiltord wrote: post #311
sangnoir wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. I have a problem with characterizing Brendan Eich as a bigot for donating to a non-fringe political group. IIRC, the proposition campaign he donated to had close to a 50/50 split in support for/against. Eich's ouster cryst…

Why does the vote percentage matter? 43% of Germans voted for the NSDAP. Doesn't absolve them of their bigotry. If 100% of Americans voted that way that would just make all of them bigoted.

> 43% of Germans voted for the NSDAP.

You are aware that they only reached that number after placing armed guards at the polling places, with large parts of the opposition in prison, missing or exile? Hitler wanted to win that "election" with a majority by any means possible, getting 43% despite all the steps he took were a slap in the face.

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Post by avs733 »

dcchambers wrote: post #598

Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance? I don't root for anyone to lose their job, but in this case, it seems like the leadership of Mozilla is failing to lead them in the right direction. I don't see how that gets rewarded. If my performance metrics at work go down 85% - I'm probably getting fired. In this case, executive performance metrics should be closely tied…

>Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance? What are the implications of optimizing for those metrics over all others?

Define performance? (not trying to be rude, just using a little Goodhartian pedantry)

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by tarkin2 »

Why the CEO hate? Firefox has finally completed the quantum refactor and is far better than before.

Most of the hate seems political: people keep bringing up supporting a ban on homosexual marriage and how Mozilla shouldn’t have liberal cultural values.

Most of these comments treat her as if she’s a virus, eating away a mozilla. They give an uneasy feeling.

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Post by cultus »

zeveb wrote: post #575

> Out of curiosity, do you know of any companies in your field where the CEO believes you personally don't deserve rights? Would you work for that company? Tim Cook supports gun control. I wouldn't work for Apple, but the CEO's position on gun control isn't part of that decision.

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by srtjstjsj »

hawski wrote: post #143
LordHeini wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they where just too early. Look at the Chinese Manufacturers having trouble to deploy Android due to tech embargos. If those could just install a free os made by an indendent Organisation...

Or too late. It would not help to overcome embargoes if said independent organization is established in California.

The embargo in question (WeChat) made iOS untenable because it is a closed platform. Location is irrelevant.
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