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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by FeepingCreature »

bipson wrote: post #484
mywacaday wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.

How is this anti-democratic? Democracy means the reign of the people - nothing in that concept involves that corporations can't remove someone (pressure someone to step down) because of his views/actions. To be more precise: In a democracy corporations can still be concerned with their public image and distance themselves from (particularly high-ranked) employees, if they consider them detrimental for their business.

It is democratic. It is however illiberal.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by srtjstjsj »

ahelwer wrote: post #480
mywacaday wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.

I don't know, man. It's easy to get all abstract with phrases like "support a cause" but we live in a concrete world. Mozilla employs a lot of gay people. Prop 8 was viciously homophobic, both in concept and especially in execution of its campaign. How would you feel going to work knowing your boss's boss thinks you don't deserve rights?

Better then not going to work because the CEO chosen for her politically correct identity destroyed the organizer.

Mozilla employees did NOT support the firing of Eich. Don't use them as human shields for your assault on civility.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by TheOperator »

rattray wrote: post #527

This is a pretty unfair article. The author presents firefox market share (a relative term) on one axis and CEO pay (an absolute term) on the other. The sad reality is that the CEO pay should be a relative metric to tech companies of similar size in the bay area, where Mozilla is based. Or at least US tech companies of similar scale. As the internet has enveloped the globe in the last 10 years, a huge amount of money…

Pay should be relative to your value to the company and the CEO is not providing said value. You are allowed to run a company that gasp drives down average CEO pay instead of herding your pay brackets.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by Zardoz84 »

panpanna wrote: post #266
bambax wrote: post #253

> Mobile browsing numbers are bleak: Firefox barely exists on phones, with a market share of less than half a percent. This is baffling given that mobile Firefox has a rare feature for a mobile browser: it's able to install extensions and so can block ads. This is true, and indeed very strange. I use FF on mobile and it works perfectly. So Mozilla's problems aren't only technical, there's also a question of market aw…

> I use FF on mobile and it works perfectly. Not anymore! To be consistent with their business screw ups, they addressed this with the latest updates. Now the mobile app a mess like the rest of Mozilla.

I have it updated and works flawless

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by tjpnz »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

>And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families.

That's downright appalling.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by ksec »

dmingod666 wrote: post #531
ahelwer wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, man. It's easy to get all abstract with phrases like "support a cause" but we live in a concrete world. Mozilla employs a lot of gay people. Prop 8 was viciously homophobic, both in concept and especially in execution of its campaign. How would you feel going to work knowing your boss's boss thinks you don't deserve rights?

Looking at from the other side of the globe, as a non-american. I get the impression that in silicon valley, technology is all about skin color, what you have between your legs and what you want to do with what you have between you legs - end of story. Those are the really important bit. Everything else is just the details. It looks like pure politics, keep conservatives out and keep liberals in. His fault wasn't the…

Yes. I sometimes wonder if there any conservatives in Silicon Valley.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by dcchambers »

Isn't the obvious answer that CEO/executive pay should be tied more closely to performance? I don't root for anyone to lose their job, but in this case, it seems like the leadership of Mozilla is failing to lead them in the right direction. I don't see how that gets rewarded. If my performance metrics at work go down 85% - I'm probably getting fired. In this case, executive performance metrics should be closely tied to the fate of the company.

I understand it's hard to get someone "good" in as CEO of you can't offer competitive pay - they'll just go somewhere else. But I think the last few years of Mozilla and Firefox falling into the realm of niche developer/nerd tools needs to serve as a sharp reminder that even "good" executives can fail.

Time for an ultimatum - offer a reasonable salary with a large bonus based on improving market share. Get someone in there that really wants it.

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Post by throwaway33339 »

pkphilip wrote: post #390
chrisco255 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was a co-founder of Mozilla. What the hell? He had been CTO before he was made CEO.

He was also the guy who invented Javascript

If anything he should have been fired from Mozilla for that reason

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by cmiles74 »

ahelwer wrote: post #480
mywacaday wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.

I don't know, man. It's easy to get all abstract with phrases like "support a cause" but we live in a concrete world. Mozilla employs a lot of gay people. Prop 8 was viciously homophobic, both in concept and especially in execution of its campaign. How would you feel going to work knowing your boss's boss thinks you don't deserve rights?

In my experience it's been about a half-and-half split between managers I respect and those that I don't. It's certainly not my preference but I have worked for people who don't really respect me and, very likely, didn't believe I deserved all sorts of things (a living wage being among them).

That said, Mozilla works in a competitive environment. Perhaps it would have made more sense to wait for valuable employees to start leaving before dismissing their CEO. While I find his position on Prop 8 offensive, as others have pointed out, they are entitled to their beliefs.

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