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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#582Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you see any realistic chance of this happening? Generally if a company is captured by a parasitic leadership sucking it dry, that's it, right? Is there anyone on the board whose interests are more aligned with keeping Mozilla alive (probably hard to do at this point) than feasting on it whilst there is still something left to feast on? Presumably you'd need a few such people.
It's not just the leadership at Firefox. FF has been hijacked by a bunch of people who have no interest in the browser and sucked it dry while it went down. Sad for the people at Mozilla who cared about the browser and wrote the code. As an FF user I hope Mozilla does a turn around, gets back its engineering culture and focuses on delivering the best - and most secure and private - browser in the market.
To me its the nokia-ms move
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#583I'd pay hansomely for Firefox but only if the funds go into development, not into fat cats wallets. I'd also pay to remove junk like Pocket, or rather I'd consider paying for Pocket as a separate service. It irks me that it's forced into my browser. I want to be free of Google. This includes Chromium which has too much of Google included. Mozilla is the last hope of a free (as in speech) internet. On iOS Apple have e…
Honest question - do you? I assume it's easy to set up a monthly donation. Or would you rather they start demanding or pleading for money? EDIT: To be fair, I don't either, and I do use FF. I donate to wikimedia and the internet archive but not Mozilla. I wish as a community our reaction to Mozilla's troubles was "let's all start donating!" instead of "screw those evil pigs".
I'd pay for a supported product. I'll not just donate randomly into Mozilla, because that doesn't let them know what aspect of their work is useful to me.
I don't want Pocket. I don't want VPN. I'd pay for Firefox though, and only Firefox.
Buying a product to solve a problem is very different to donating to a foundation.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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Apple. Currently the most valuable company of all time . And there are interesting parallels, Apple too was kept alive by their competitor as a fig leaf in light of anti-trust troubles.
Apple was the ultimate outlier in that respect. It would be great if someone could pull this off for Mozilla. The odds are slim, but one can hope. Edit: Cal Peterson's article clearly shows how we got here. Such a shame.
>Apple was the ultimate outlier in that respect.
Yes and in Apple's case, no one could have pulled it off other than Steve Jobs.
So basically the answer to the original question is none, zero.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#585Earlier quoted context omitted.
Still it makes no sense to pay people millions of dollars when a company is not doing well financially. In this regards what Iwata did while being CEO of Nintendo during hardship (cutting his salary in half and getting no bonus) is the way to go.
If you don’t pay competitively, you won’t get someone who can do the job well. You might get lucky with someone cheaper, but it will require that luck. The fact is that 2.5 million probably isn’t enough to get the kind of turnaround leader Mozilla needs. They have no revenue model. You’re basically handing a CEO a bunch of talented devs and free products and saying “make a revenue stream” for products where their com…
> If you don’t pay competitively, you won’t get someone who can do the job well.
I always have to think back to Jon Stewart on The Daily Show, who, in reaction to that exact argument for Goldman Sachs & Co paying out huge bonuses from the bailouts they've just received for crashing the economy shouted: You Don't Have The Best People.
What if you don't get the best people by offering huge financial incentives - what if you just get people who focus on financial incentives and career development, and what if those things do not strongly correlate with actually delivering higher value for the company?
> You’re basically handing a CEO a bunch of talented devs and free products and saying “make a revenue stream” for products where their competitors make a better product for free use.
"Here's a product that brings in 450-500 million a year, see what you can do". The users of Firefox aren't Mozilla's customers, it's Google & Co that are the customers. The users are the product.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#586Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you see any realistic chance of this happening? Generally if a company is captured by a parasitic leadership sucking it dry, that's it, right? Is there anyone on the board whose interests are more aligned with keeping Mozilla alive (probably hard to do at this point) than feasting on it whilst there is still something left to feast on? Presumably you'd need a few such people.
There is a possibility, doesn't matter how low, I like to think about: Group of people leaving Mozilla, forking the Firefox and creating another non-profit.
I hope for the blender foundation doing a browser
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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If you have a link or other details I’m interested in who you’re referring to that hijacked/influenced development. I’ve never heard that and am really curious. I too really hope they can turn it around but sadly have been less and less hopeful.
Possibly taking one of the best parts of Firefox, the addons, and replacing it with a system that doesn't bother to support many of the most popular addons.
The sad part is -- I genuinely believe they were trying to do the right thing with that.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#588Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd pay hansomely for Firefox but only if the funds go into development, not into fat cats wallets. Donations go to the Mozilla Foundation, not the Mozilla Corporation. Both the overpaid leadership, and Firefox development, are the domain of the Mozilla Corporation. Relevant discussion from a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24200395 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24142097
Though correct, that doesn't improve the situation OP is in - the one we are all in: we want to fund Firefox directly, not some side project and we simply cannot.
> we want to fund Firefox directly
Precisely. I couldn't have put it better.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#589There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…
I'm using Edge since it saves on battery life, maybe I should just stop with Firefox for a while till they get a new CEO and get their crap together. I never stopped using Firefox, I wasn't somebody who started using it again after Quantum, I just never liked Chrome much, but only ever used it for development purposes.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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Formerly known as "Read It Later", it's a reading list service. You save pages for later reference. There's subscriptions to unlock features. I loved RIL but Pocket is but a shadow of what it once was. Similar to Evernote web clips, or Instapaper. I now use OneNote instead with the webclipper plugin, mostly because it puts the clips in a place where I can also add my own notes.
I switched to Joplin. It's completely seamless once I authenticate with the service I sync with and toggle the web clipper support in the desktop app. You can even clip those pages where the site blocks the Evernote and OneNote crawler since it all happens in your browser and on the local clip server. Best of all, it's all in Markdown. There's a beta rich text editor, but the Markdown editor has a preview and a littl…
I've yet to find any site that blocked either Evernote or OneNote. Interesting to know.