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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by dmingod666 »

ahelwer wrote: post #480
mywacaday wrote: post #466

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Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.

I don't know, man. It's easy to get all abstract with phrases like "support a cause" but we live in a concrete world. Mozilla employs a lot of gay people. Prop 8 was viciously homophobic, both in concept and especially in execution of its campaign. How would you feel going to work knowing your boss's boss thinks you don't deserve rights?

Looking at from the other side of the globe, as a non-american. I get the impression that in silicon valley, technology is all about skin color, what you have between your legs and what you want to do with what you have between you legs - end of story. Those are the really important bit. Everything else is just the details.

It looks like pure politics, keep conservatives out and keep liberals in. His fault wasn't the donation. His fault was being outed as a conservative.

I think someone should try wearing a trump hat to work at a technology company for a week and see how long they last in the organization.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by tasogare »

rattray wrote: post #527

This is a pretty unfair article. The author presents firefox market share (a relative term) on one axis and CEO pay (an absolute term) on the other. The sad reality is that the CEO pay should be a relative metric to tech companies of similar size in the bay area, where Mozilla is based. Or at least US tech companies of similar scale. As the internet has enveloped the globe in the last 10 years, a huge amount of money…

Still it makes no sense to pay people millions of dollars when a company is not doing well financially. In this regards what Iwata did while being CEO of Nintendo during hardship (cutting his salary in half and getting no bonus) is the way to go.

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Post by untog »

twelvechairs wrote: post #126
twblalock wrote: post #94

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The Mozilla execs could all make more money at FAANG companies just down the road from Mozilla HQ. If they left, it would probably be pretty hard to replace them with anyone capable of saving Firefox who would settle for less. The same is true for most of the engineers at Mozilla. They could go to FAANGs and increase their compensation quite a bit. So while I agree that the leadership has been bad, executive pay was…

> If they left, it would probably be pretty hard to replace them with anyone capable of saving Firefox who would settle for less. Its an open source project people believe in. Reduce the pay and you are probably actually more likely to cut out the worst execs and focus only on smart people who want to contribute.

Open source projects are full of smart people who want to contribute and are still often organisational clusterfucks. Unfortunately being smart and passionate alone doesn’t necessarily make you an effective leader.

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Post by panpanna »

unhammer wrote: post #506
panpanna wrote: post #266

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> I use FF on mobile and it works perfectly. Not anymore! To be consistent with their business screw ups, they addressed this with the latest updates. Now the mobile app a mess like the rest of Mozilla.

Try the very latest release (81). I wrote earlier[0] that FF79 was too slow to start, buggy on tab switches, and missing most recent sites on the new tab. That's all been fixed as of FF81 as far as I can see. I also really like the new swipe-url-to-switch-tabs feature =D [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24280554

Just updated and you are correct, 81 feels much snappier!

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Post by [deleted] »

rvba wrote: post #492
roenxi wrote: post #161

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That chart shows a pretty beautiful 10 year trend. Yep, they are on a sinking ship. 'Failures' on the other hand - that is a loaded word. They are failures, they have failed at making Firefox popular. But what needed to happen to build an alternative world where they succeeded? The browsers that succeeded were Chrome and Safari - browsers sponsored by the owners of the two major platforms for accessing the internet,…

> Charities aren't innovation engines The unique selling point of Firefox (and especially: mobile Firefox) was ability to heavily customize it and use third party extensions. Those extensions were the ones bringing in the innovation -> most ideas came from third parties (on a side note: usually for free, since extensions are hard to monetize). The system just worked and gave many popular extensions like Tab Mix Plus,…

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Post by fierarul »

bawolff wrote: post #230
fierarul wrote: post #180

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Why wouldn't you need a CEO? Manage $1B by committee?

Endowments are usually managed by comittee, so yes. However, if it becomes a more volunteer based organization, you tend to pay people in conferences and other infrastructure. Which is a very different type of thing. You still probably need someone to manage that, but its very different from being a CEO

So you replace 1 CEO with a committee of 6 people and save how much money?

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Post by stef25 »

jboog wrote: post #470
coldtea wrote: post #331

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> I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other Who asked Mozilla to be a "flagship of diversity"? What we wanted off them, and what their mission statement was, is a FOSS browser that supported the open web. Plus, one can be/believe whatever on their personal life, as l…

The CEO of the company spent his personal money so that his gay and lesbian employees could be discriminated against by the government. THAT IS "bringing it in the office"

It was 12 years ago.

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Post by foxdev »

I'm coming around to management being a key part of Mozilla's problem. Firefox did legitimately find itself in a situation even the best turnaround artist would struggle with, but the situation calls for self-sacrifice at the top when there's so much money available to experiment with new lines of business. Nobody would complain about Pocket if it was just one of an intentional and visible program to find a viable course away from depending on Google.

Pocket is fine. Pocket randomly appearing on the gunwale of the sinking ship to tell you how great it is while the crew takes the life rafts, not so much.

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