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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by Almad »

dheera wrote: post #357
DreadY2K wrote: post #341

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But is it ideal for a "Hello, world" program to follow all best-practices? In my opinion, a "Hello, world" program should do the bare minimum to print "Hello, world" to the screen, and no more, so that it represents the language at its most basic.

Yeah I mean it should be as basic as class MyApp extends AndroidApp { void main() { Document.write("hello world"); Document.write(" blah "); } } javac it, adb sideload the .class file (or .jar file), and you should be done for the day. Unfortunately the bare minimum is way way way more complicated than this. Weird XML files, infestations of manifests (generate them automatically from 'ls' and 'grep' damnit), Gradle f…

> Gradle files (worst abomination of a build system ever)

Ant? Maven?

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by cutler »

hackbinary wrote: post #231
jolux wrote: post #187

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Yeah but you need to pay separately because it’s based on ReSharper, there’s no .NET plug-in for IDEA Ultimate.

But if your buying the full version, then the full library is only another £100 to begin with. Cheaper for personal use, and free for students. https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearl...

There's also the issue of managing separate apps which I find to be a pain.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by mcdevilkiller »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #453
aschatten wrote: post #291

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(disclaimer: I am an IntelliJ fanboy) > From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. I don't know if you are talking about IntelliJ or VCS, but IntelliJ can quickly start an empty project. And you don't to spend time to figure out how things work.…

I know this is how a lot of people think of the text editor/IDE divide, but it’s just not true anymore: for specific languages like Clojure or Common Lisp, emacs has plugins that provide all the essential features of an IDE with minimal fuss. For JavaScript, VSCode or tide-mode for emacs have, in my experience, significantly better code intelligence than WebStorm. The only languages IntelliJ is better at than the com…

What about Resharper/Resharper++?

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by barrenko »

nightowl_games wrote: post #334
varispeed wrote: post #228

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From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

JetBrains products _are_ pretty much the best. I think Android Studio + Kotlin is the best, most impressive IDE experience I've ever had. Mostly because Android Development in general is kinda hard, and Android Studio cleans it all up so nicely for you. It really outshines XCode in this regard. I've never used CLion but I really want to. That being said, I think it's clear that VSCode is, and will remain, dominant. F…

Definitely. Fedora + Android Studio + Kotlin is bonkers simple, clean and usable.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by mcdevilkiller »

nightowl_games wrote: post #334
varispeed wrote: post #228

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From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

JetBrains products _are_ pretty much the best. I think Android Studio + Kotlin is the best, most impressive IDE experience I've ever had. Mostly because Android Development in general is kinda hard, and Android Studio cleans it all up so nicely for you. It really outshines XCode in this regard. I've never used CLion but I really want to. That being said, I think it's clear that VSCode is, and will remain, dominant. F…

Try Rider. I feel like it has all the usual JetBrains IDE features but it's faster than IDEA and the Unity integration is superb.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by diffeomorphism »

oblio wrote: post #568
dima55 wrote: post #221

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Yeah. TRAMP is magical, and everything just works. And has for years and years.

There is a comment right above yours that contradicts you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24561943

That comment doesn't contradict the post at all. If anything it supports that statement and then goes on to mentions that high latency connections are problematic.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by OOPMan »

jolux wrote: post #408
lmm wrote: post #391

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You should try writing Scala in IntelliJ. It's not Idris, but it's a lot closer than C# is (and already past OCaml, IMO).

I'm not super jazzed about where Scala sits on the syntactic complexity vs expressive power plot. Seems uncomfortably close to C++ from what I've seen of it, although I know that Dotty/Scala 3 is supposed to clean it up quite a bit conceptually.

Scala is as complex as you want it to be.

You're welcome to use it as cleaner Java and it will work well for this.

You're equally welcome to make use of more advanced features.

You're also welcome to go nuts and use all the features but it's not recommended.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by blumomo »

I’ve switched to VS Code from Sublime and IntelliJ. Then it become so slow on a recent MacBook Pro that I finally switched to NeoVIM for editing any file of any programming language a year ago. I’m rediscovering keyboard shortcuts and custom macros. Couldn’t be happier.

Still, VS Code was a great inspiration to me. It felt much more light-weight than IntelliJ and features were superior to Sublime.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by 0-_-0 »

nightowl_games wrote: post #334
varispeed wrote: post #228

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From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

JetBrains products _are_ pretty much the best. I think Android Studio + Kotlin is the best, most impressive IDE experience I've ever had. Mostly because Android Development in general is kinda hard, and Android Studio cleans it all up so nicely for you. It really outshines XCode in this regard. I've never used CLion but I really want to. That being said, I think it's clear that VSCode is, and will remain, dominant. F…

>I think there gonna come up with way to leverage the amount of data they can mine out of github repos to write code for you.

Somebody already did that in a plugin, trained a neural network on Github code to provide autocomplete for Visual Studio Code. I'm using it and it's great!

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=TabNine....

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by 29athrowaway »

willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

IntelliJ is a much better experience than VSCode. Without leaving the IDE you can: edit (with autocompletion), static analysis, debug, test, code coverage, version control, profile. All using JetBrains official plugins.

It also integrates with databases, Docker, etc.

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