If only Brendan Eich were less sloppy with his opinions.
Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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#482> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.
Previously they had appointed an excellent CEO from within that is universally well respected for his technology contributions and then they fired him after 11 days without cause. Now that guy is a CEO at a different company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
That's been broadly discussed elsewhere in this thread already. And no, he wasn't fired.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#483Reminder that the Code of Conduct was also implemented as a way to inject entropy in open-source projects that are deemed a threat to the information control matrix sponsored by Eric Schmidt, Rupert Murdoch and Bill Gates.
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#484Earlier quoted context omitted.
Previously they had appointed an excellent CEO from within that is universally well respected for his technology contributions and then they fired him after 11 days without cause. Now that guy is a CEO at a different company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.
How is this anti-democratic? Democracy means the reign of the people - nothing in that concept involves that corporations can't remove someone (pressure someone to step down) because of his views/actions.
To be more precise: In a democracy corporations can still be concerned with their public image and distance themselves from (particularly high-ranked) employees, if they consider them detrimental for their business.
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The Mozilla execs could all make more money at FAANG companies just down the road from Mozilla HQ. If they left, it would probably be pretty hard to replace them with anyone capable of saving Firefox who would settle for less. The same is true for most of the engineers at Mozilla. They could go to FAANGs and increase their compensation quite a bit. So while I agree that the leadership has been bad, executive pay was…
> The Mozilla execs could all make more money at FAANG companies just down the road from Mozilla HQ. If they left, it would probably be pretty hard to replace them with anyone capable of saving Firefox who would settle for less. Eich. But you'll have to kick out the idpol activists still left at Mozilla, the people who ditched FirefoxOS and contributed to the destruction of Firefox.
Why are you so sure that a) Eich would do the job for less, or that b) he'd be able to single-handedly defeat Google on a budget.
Just because someone opposes gay marriage for religious reasons doesn't make them a superhero or saint. Is Brave browser doing better than Firefox with his miraculous help?
Seems like the people angry about this political issue are one key factor in us heading towards an internet monoculture.
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The problem is that we have the person who arguably most understands the domain of web browsers, online privacy, and all the legal and ethical aspect thereof, working on another Chromium-based browser. I do not need to elaborate on why a diverse browser ecosystem is important, there are enough threads on that already. Mozilla had this jewel, exactly what it needed to succeed and make the web a better place. He was at…
Sorry, but you're not going to paint Eich as a victim over what is a totally self inflicted wound. And there is no argument from utility to be made here either along the lines of 'oh Eich may be a bigot, but look at that nice browser he gave us'. He has to work with the people around him and that scenario would have likely not panned out. Instead, a large chunk of Mozilla/FireFox' employees may have walked if he had…
It's obscene to paint Eich as the perpetrator of a self inflicted wound for not "coming around on the subject in a halfway believable way", for not trying to appease the mob. "Stop hitting yourself."
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#488Usage is actually pretty flat, its just the market size expanding greatly:
https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
As a firefox user, thats not great news, but it's different from current users leaving en masse.
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#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
Previously they had appointed an excellent CEO from within that is universally well respected for his technology contributions and then they fired him after 11 days without cause. Now that guy is a CEO at a different company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
That's been broadly discussed elsewhere in this thread already. And no, he wasn't fired.
He was asked to resign by Mitchell Baker at which point he presented a resignation letter. That is an involuntary termination, which for everybody outside the "C" suite is being fired.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#490The main difference here is a US tech Vs UK corporate culture. Mozilla's approach is "spend lots of cash and grow fast like a VC backed company". The guardian is a "let's try and have a stable user base and keep the company alive for another 100 years". In this case, Mozilla's approach has failed badly. I think it's unlikely they'll turn it around without the help of another big tech company making a strategic purcha…
Hmm, has Mozilla ever spent big on advertising? I wasn't aware of that.
I do share your wish in retrospect that they'd saved more cash...