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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by weinzierl »

nightowl_games wrote: post #334
varispeed wrote: post #228

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From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

JetBrains products _are_ pretty much the best. I think Android Studio + Kotlin is the best, most impressive IDE experience I've ever had. Mostly because Android Development in general is kinda hard, and Android Studio cleans it all up so nicely for you. It really outshines XCode in this regard. I've never used CLion but I really want to. That being said, I think it's clear that VSCode is, and will remain, dominant. F…

> I've never used CLion but I really want to.

CLion user here and I think it is still behind IntelliJ and I wish JetBrains would put more focus to the product. That being said I believe it is way better for C/C++ and Rust development than any alternative that exists at the moment.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by ChicagoDave »

VS Code is really meant for front-end development.

I wouldn't want to use it for anything I compile or debug. I'd use IntelliJ for Java/Kotlin, Visual Studio for C#, F#, Windows apps.

As with anything else in software development, it depends on the use case.

I'm still partial to Visual Studio and for text I use Notepad++. I used to use UltraEdit, which has some features that were extraordinary (column editing).

I've used VS Code for some things (PlantUML), but otherwise I find it cumbersome.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by lm28469 »

willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

> JetBrains products allow you to do so much out of the box, without installing a million plugins that may or may not work.

The problem is that all I need is 2 or 3 plugins. If all I need is a golf cart I don't care that your Lamborghini is amphibious and can fly to the far side of the moon

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by globular-toast »

zeroxfe wrote: post #165
macinjosh wrote: post #156

If you want a text editor with longevity try vim or emacs. They aren't dependent on the benevolence of a greedy corporation. Over time VSCode _will_ be raided by the bean counters at MS and it will begin to track you, give you ads about MS products, and lock you in to their ecosystem. I'll never understand why a professional developer would give so much influence over their work to the likes of MS, JetBrains, etc. Su…

Two decades of vim here, and I switched to VS Code. As a "professional developer", it's just nicer to use, and makes me feel way more productive than ever. I definitely wouldn't call it a toy.

You should have switched to emacs. You could have kept the vim UI but got all the stuff (and more) that you get in VSCode. Unfortunately the vim -> emacs path is taken by very few due to religious reasons.

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Post by globular-toast »

pjmlp wrote: post #2

Given the talks from Microsoft's own React Native team regarding the 300x performance loss from Electron based apps, I am looking forward to the day it gets rewritten in React Native. https://youtu.be/IUMWFExtDSg?t=1146

Can React Native run natively on Windows/Mac/Linux now?

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by pjmlp »

globular-toast wrote: post #585
pjmlp wrote: post #2

Given the talks from Microsoft's own React Native team regarding the 300x performance loss from Electron based apps, I am looking forward to the day it gets rewritten in React Native. https://youtu.be/IUMWFExtDSg?t=1146

Can React Native run natively on Windows/Mac/Linux now?

On Windows/Mac yes, that is what Microsoft is implementing.

Linux, there seems no plans other than driving people into WSL instead, so.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by cutler »

theCodeStig wrote: post #380
cutler wrote: post #200

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It's not like you have to give up Vim anyway considering the good-enough VSVim plugin gives you most of the Vim basics. Personally I have found JetBrains' Vim plugin to be the best.

I've tried vim support extensively in VSCode, IntelliJ, and Emacs. The vim plugin for VSCode is sorely lacking; particularly with macro support. For my use case, it's unusable. The vim plugin for IntelliJ is slightly better. It's usable, but I still find it lacking. In my experience, the best (by far), is Evil for Emacs.

I think it's unrealistic to expect a plugin to provide macro support.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by DougBTX »

EE84M3i wrote: post #580
DougBTX wrote: post #577

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It seems like the only distinction between an "IDE" and a "Text Editor" nowadays is that an "IDE" is slow to start up but a "Text Editor" is fast to start up. Everything else that would be in an IDE historically (project browsers, intellisense, code completion, refactoring, integrated build and debugger UI, test runners, etc, etc) all show up in "Text Editors". The only question is how good that functionality is, whi…

In my mind the biggest difference is that in an IDE I need a stateful "project" or "solution" and with a text editor I don't.

Visual Studio is very much an IDE, but it is perfectly capable of editing a single file too. I think the only reason people tend to use something else for single files is because it tends to be slow to start up.

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Post by _rerr »

0x008 wrote: post #522
_rerr wrote: post #480

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In my company we use pyenv with virtualenv and everything works seamlessly. VSCode automatically runs the activate script from pyenv in a new terminal (in my case it is even the fish shell), debugging works fine, and I can go to definitions. Note that a new extension, that works alongside the original python extension, has been developed by Microsoft: Pylance. It speeds things up based on pyright, a python type-check…

Hey, thanks for your input. I will look into using pyenv so that might solve my problem with "go to definitions". However, I was also having a lot of trouble with environment variables, especially PYTHONPATH. How do you solve that? Also rope did NOT work well for me. When I tried to refactor (rename) a function definition, it also changed variables in unrelated scopes that had the same name and were not related to th…

I've never had any trouble with PYTHONPATH, I guess this is solved by pyenv with virtualenv. You just need to select the project interpreter the first time you open the project and it should just work.

I haven't used rope extensively, it's too bad that it doesn't work well. It's open source so I guess it needs more contributions.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by globular-toast »

pjmlp wrote: post #586
globular-toast wrote: post #585

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Can React Native run natively on Windows/Mac/Linux now?

On Windows/Mac yes, that is what Microsoft is implementing. Linux, there seems no plans other than driving people into WSL instead, so.

"Microsoft loves open source".
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