There's no doubt Google's incredible push for browser dominance and underhanded tactics are the reason Firefox no longer has a 30% browser market share. It's my belief though that it's Mozilla's decision to chase that 30% share by imitating Chrome which has prevented them from hanging onto the 10% of the market who liked Firefox because it was Firefox.
Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#472There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…
Without knowing the details, it's hard to say the execs are failures. They could be doing a good job, given the rough hand they've been dealt.
What is this nonsense over and over again on HN?
Let's say I'm hired as a coach of a team that's second best in the world (Being the second used browser in the world is NOT a rough hand, other browsers are clawing for >1% for ever and are not coming close). I'm not saying it's easy at all but after 5 years I manage to do NOTHING to stop the bleeding, lose 250 highly skilled people and RAISE MY OWN SALARY 5x...
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> t wasn't long ago that comments were shouting that this was the absolute most qualified person to lead Mozilla when others were questioning having a lawyer lead a tech company. I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. But he resigned (he wasn't forced out, though…
> should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other Is it ridiculous to suggest we should just ignore what people think and do in their private lives? I both fully support gay marriage and couldn't give a rat's ass about what the maker of my browser thinks about it (Eich donated 1000$ to Prop 8, 12 years ago). The real problem is that you can pay to hav…
Funny you think giving gays and lesbians the same rights as everyone else in this country is "social justice olympics"
No other way to describe this contempt for basic human rights than "vice signalling"
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#474The entire company is lost the moment they started diversity hiring they have engineers that have no clue what they're doing tweeting about being badasses moving up the high Life ladder. Just take a look at some of the Firefox team"leaders"Twitter clearly culture problems there.
Take your bigotry elsewhere. Every one of your comments here is about blaming LGBT or women for the failures.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#475> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.
Previously they had appointed an excellent CEO from within that is universally well respected for his technology contributions and then they fired him after 11 days without cause. Now that guy is a CEO at a different company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich says he left, rather than was fired. It looks like Brendan held popular political views, but not popular in relevant places.
Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up
#476Mozilla foundation has been eviscerated.
Alternatives? Brave?
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Well, concerning the sucking dry: maybe I'm overly cynical but I wonder if being on the mozilla board is not a nice sinecure (so high effective hourly wage, even if the yearly compensation is not egregious) with a massive CV boost: none of the people I can see on the board of either the corp or the foundation, with the exception of Brian Behlendorf (and I had to look him up) seem to have much name recognition and bei…
> It seems extremely unlikely to me the mismanagement is rising to the level of personal liability. Agreed. But the CEOs statement here is very peculiar and might actually rise to that level, the board not taking action in turn might just make them culpable. It is a very dumb statement, especially for a lawyer, to make.
You mean the "competitive roles elsewhere were paying about 5 times as much. That's too big a discount to ask people and their families to commit to"? It's pretty funny, especially the word "competitive"? I assume the bit you could see landing her in hot water are the three words "and their families"?
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I have an LG WebOS television and it runs extremely smoothly. VS Code is an electron app and nobody complains about its performance. Ultimately webOS didn't lose because it was web tech. It lost because Android and iOS already captured the market. Windows Phone was a .NET runtime with similar performance to Java, but it failed to capture the market even with billions in Microsoft subsidies.
WebOS is smooth but it’s also half-dead. Nobody uses it except LG, and I wonder how long even them will bother with it (I mean, to get an app in their marketplace you have to basically send in a slide deck with all sorts of bureaucracy, it looks like something a low-rent manager would come up with, they cannot be serious about long-term success). It effectively recommends not to use its local APIs, but rather conside…
Half-dead is a huge stretch, it's one of the best and most popular TV OS's. It might be hard to develop for, but it has all the apps and features 99% of people want with an amazing cursor concept.
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I think Gecko doesn't have a chance. I totally believe trying to fight this fact is crying over spilled milk. Microsoft tried. They tried not to lose ground with IE 9. Then again with IE 10. Then with IE 11. Then with Edge. If Microsoft couldn't win and had to accept Blink, Mozilla can't compete. In its current form, Firefox can’t win. And this critique comes from someone who’s main browser is Firefox. Mozilla can’t…
> From a performance standpoint, Firefox is not better. Neither is it worse. Firefox is faster at some problems, Chromium is faster at some others. I don't agree that Gecko/SpiderMonkey are doomed, and they certainly aren't doomed on the grounds of performance. https://arewefastyet.com/
They are doomed, I think, but because firefox itself has no future.
There is also the problem that google services are a huge part of the web and they obviously make sure they run better on chromium than on firefox.
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#480Earlier quoted context omitted.
Previously they had appointed an excellent CEO from within that is universally well respected for his technology contributions and then they fired him after 11 days without cause. Now that guy is a CEO at a different company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
Thanks for the link, wasn't aware of the details. While I 100% disagree with him on marriage equality I don't understand why he was driven from his role that has nothing to do with Proposition 8. Why did his freedom to support a cause with his own money result in him having to resign, seems anti-democratic to me.
I don't know, man. It's easy to get all abstract with phrases like "support a cause" but we live in a concrete world. Mozilla employs a lot of gay people. Prop 8 was viciously homophobic, both in concept and especially in execution of its campaign. How would you feel going to work knowing your boss's boss thinks you don't deserve rights?