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beautifully written. Indeed my problem is the contrary to the one in the article "How to say yes, for people closed in themselves who always say no."
So to put them together: people who say no too much are self-tortured, and people who say yes too much are tortured by others. Learning to say yes sounds great, but you're on the path to becoming a people pleaser. And people pleasers who listen to NPR and learn to say no are now on the path to... prioritizing themselves over relationships and self-torture. This can't be right. How do we not torture ourselves?
How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes
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Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes
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What's wrong with being kind and speaking to people with respect while you disagree with them? One of the big problems with the "politically incorrect" or "radical free speech" crowd is that your words can hurt people's feeling. And your tone can hurt people's feelings. And there's no good reason to tell someone "fuck off" when you can politely say no other than maybe you have things you're angry about that you haven…
What makes it difficult is the fact that people respond like this. What did he say that you even disagreed with? He has an "anger issue"? wtf.
Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes
#83No means a lot more than “no” most of the time. My mom was Jehovah’s Witness, so I was raised always to take care of “the appearances”, always being polite, even when you disagree. When I moved to the US back in 2000, I “discovered” people have freedom to think and say whatever they want (kind of) and it was OK to dissent. The pendulum went the other way, and I became a big fan of Bill Maher and the “it’s OK to be po…
1) I always treat people with respect. This is different from deference. I’ve spent a significant part of my life dealing with people that are sometimes emotionally challenged, coupled with a propensity for dealing with problems violently. Many of these folks react very badly to “snootiness.” They’d rather hear “screw you,” than some of the passive-aggressive put-downs you learn at Ivy-League colleges.
2) I’ve learned to never lie in business. Even in the interest of security, I’ve found that it’s possible to avoid lying, by saying things like “I am not authorized to talk about that,” or “That’s not my story to tell” (i.e. “no”).
I take personal responsibility for my screwups, or my team’s, if I am the manager, and give, sincere, contrite (but not servile), apologies, keeping them focused on just the things for which I am responsible. I don’t allow others to “add on” to my apologies. Which I can sometimes do fairly directly.
I never shirk responsibility, and I always make it clear that I am accountable, in direct, unambiguous language.
This earned me a reputation of extreme trustworthiness. If I said I did something, then I did it. If I said I didn’t do something, then I didn’t do it.
If I said “no,” it was accepted without a fight, and I didn’t need to be a jerk about it. People respected me, and they knew I respected them. They also knew they couldn’t push me around, so they didn’t try.
In some cases, I wasn’t empowered to say no (like to a boss). In those cases, I often just had to bite my tongue, and do what I was ordered. If at all possible (not always an option), I would try to provide feedback on why I considered the order less-than-optimal, but I would do it, anyway.
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So to put them together: people who say no too much are self-tortured, and people who say yes too much are tortured by others. Learning to say yes sounds great, but you're on the path to becoming a people pleaser. And people pleasers who listen to NPR and learn to say no are now on the path to... prioritizing themselves over relationships and self-torture. This can't be right. How do we not torture ourselves?
Oversimplification: to live is to suffer
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#87I remember when it was “fashionable” for Marketing and Sales folks to never say no, and the rhetorical gymnastics they would go through to say no, while not actually saying “no,” would be amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J34UzHo4G5w
What do you mean “it was”...? ;)
Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes
#88My life got a lot better after I stopped considering questions in terms of my own preferences and started considering them in terms of how they would connect me to others. I really don’t want to go out for drinks after work. But this preference is nothing compared to how much I value the friendships that come from doing it. Hiking a mountain is not in the top 100 things I want to do with my weekend. But a shared expe…
In the last 18 months I came to the same conclusion as you and started socializing more, but then COVID happened and then quarantine and while the rest of my office rushes back to doing team lunches and whatnot, I find myself hesitating. I know the value, but I recognize there's a risk.
edit: LOL someone downvoted this post. Was there something offensive in my question? Something incorrect or illogical? Did I mislead or misconstrue or say something needlessly political?
Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes
#89No means a lot more than “no” most of the time. My mom was Jehovah’s Witness, so I was raised always to take care of “the appearances”, always being polite, even when you disagree. When I moved to the US back in 2000, I “discovered” people have freedom to think and say whatever they want (kind of) and it was OK to dissent. The pendulum went the other way, and I became a big fan of Bill Maher and the “it’s OK to be po…
Sounds great.
> and not having to care about “banned” words or sensitivities
Whoa, where did this come from? How is this related to the previous statement at all?
If you're the type of person who doesn't care about how your words can make others feel, then yeah I'm sure you're stuck with a feeling that you can't argue openly. Have you considered that by changing your tone so that it doesn't come across as personal attacks you would be able to have more open arguments?
Maybe you've worked in companies where they actually have gone overboard, but in my experience most who complain about sensitivities are the type that want to call their colleagues' ideas "retarded" and such.
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Out of curiosity, do you feel like it was the never saying no that was the biggest problem, or was it the things that stemmed from never saying no? For me, there were a whole host of things that came with being uncomfortable saying no, such as: building resentment resulting from doing something I didn’t really want to, passive aggressiveness, avoidance of conflict, disappointment when people still weren’t pleased aft…
Not parent poster, but in my apparently-similar experience, it’s just that not saying no will inevitably result in halfhearted effort down the line, which means the results will underwhelm and hence generate more issues.