I try to stay away from Microsoft as much as possible. They are not to be trusted. They had to kill the open source Atom editor first to achieve this success.. I hope more dev's refuse to blindly follow the herd, so there might be a change MS won't lock us in for good.
The Era of Visual Studio Code
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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#542Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who uses all three of the editors you named, I think that each serves a pretty different purpose in practice. Each aspires to be the be-all, end-all editor/IDE, but that's just unrealistic to me. For me, I use VIM all day, every day at work (C++), because while it doesn't have the full IDE experience out of the box, it's close enough, and can be brought much closer with various plugins and knowledgeable ad…
I find CLion really nice for writing C++ + Jetbrains Vim bindings are pretty good
I tried it a loooong time ago, for C, and I couldn't get the hand of it, even though I had used IntelliJ a bunch.
I've heard it's much better than when they launched it, but our build system is so eccentric that I don't think it'd get along well at my work.
Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#543I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…
I've switched between IDE's and "lighter" editors like Sublime Text and VS Code so many times now (and I can't get used to vim and co, I'm too young I guess lol).
IDE's helped me so much writing Java code; refactorings, autocomplete, code generation etc are features that never became as good in 'lighter' editors.
Then the JS era appeared, and IDE's couldn't really do much with it - in part due to its unstructured setup, lack of importing code, lack of namespaces. Autocomplete and jump-to-definition was non-existent. I switched to Sublime Text for web work, and relied heavily on the powerful and fast global search and cmd+p navigation for a good while.
Over time, things changed; JS got modules, JS got types (or type inference) through projects like Flow and Typescript, and JS got richer with e.g. JSX. Still mainly used VS Code (by then) for front-end though; heavier editors didn't seem to offer enough added value to warrant the switch.
But every time I did back-end work I would switch back to a proper IDE. Java / JVM languages are things I never did in a lightweight editor. Go (which I use as a back-end language currently) support was rough for a good while in both editors and IDEs, but it's getting there.
In my current job, I handle four languages over two projects; there's the legacy project, PHP and JS / Dojo, and the new one, Go and TS / React. I've fully switched to using an IDE again; intellij's JS / TS support is good enough, and honestly for the legacy codebase I need it. The codebase is nearly 10 years old, and the 'hip' editors simply don't support PHP 5 or 13.000 line spaghetti messes. But intellij does; I configured it for PHP 5.2 specifically (so if I use the shorthand array syntax it flags it up) and ES5, it struggles a bit but it can make sense of the huge files, and it helps me a lot in making sense of it. It's a safety net that the codebase and language itself doesn't give me.
VS Code and co wouldn't come close.
Anyway I still switch to VS Code from time to time for one-off tasks, quick edits, formatting, etc.
Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#544Earlier quoted context omitted.
emacs and vim are super efficient, nearly infinite in keybindings, and fully programmable and extensible.
Except not doing ctrl-c ctrl-v easily. Or standard keybidings. I wonder if an offshoot with standard keys in a terminal based on vi would work (really simple and native, I used simple mode alas it almost were transparent but not quite. )
> Except not doing ctrl-c ctrl-v easily. Or standard keybidings.
I used to think like that but imho when you learn Vim registers it totally makes sense, plus if you're using it in a terminal emulator you can use ctrl-shift-c ctrl-shift-v. Now about Emacs I don't have much experience, but Doom-Emacs and Spacemacs use the System's clipboard by default.
Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#545I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…
Agree.
I am now working on a project that includes development in Android, Java server side, Swift, Xamarin, Unity (c#).
By using Intellij products namely AndroidStudio, Idea, AppCode & Rider - I have a unified experience which makes development so much easier, and fun!
Only con might be the price - but I would not know as its all payed by the corporate I work for - with their IntelliJ licensing server.
Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#546Earlier quoted context omitted.
From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…
Well, I think you're right about performance being a problem, but I have 64 GiB and a 4790k and an NVMe SSD. It's like half a percentage of my pre-tax income and was even less when I bought it. I don't need efficiency. I need something that, given fuel, gives me power. And as someone who has donated to vim, was an early backer of neovim's bountysource, and loves his terminal: vim is my ion drive, IntelliJ and friends…
I am running it most of the time with i7-8750H and also 64G or ram, plus a rather fast NVMe drive.
Performance in comparison with VSCode is just bad. That being said I am using all JetBrain products (I have a license for all of them), because simply there is nothing better for my use case. But I wish they put some effort in optimising their code.
Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#547I'm stuck. I'm writing Go and VueJS.
I tried Goland but it was too Java-y and too complex - there are thousands of settings. 4 different search options. 5 different methods of getting to the declaration for a function (and I'm never sure which one I should be using). I ended up spending more time messing with the editor than writing code, and there were too many incidents where I accidentally triggered a feature with a random key combination.
I love Vim but it makes my muscle memory incompatible with everything else. I stopped using it 5 years ago and I still hit ESC way too often.
I haven't tried Emacs yet. It's on the list, friends swear by it, but my experience with Vim has made me wary of investing that much time climbing a learning cliff again.
SublimeText was great, but support for Go isn't all that. Atom is too slow.
I'm back at VSCode for the moment. At least it's predictable and the Go plugin is workable. But I see the feature bloat and the complexity increasing. Its days are numbered. I don't see VSCode dominating the situation for much longer.
Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#548I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…
I agree, I used VSCode for Python programming, until I found Pycharm is better. I also used it for Go programming, but later found Goland to be better.
But what confuses me is that the article always references it as a "Text Editor", not an IDE. As a text editor it might be the best, but as far as I am concerned, I just don't need "standalone" text editor. I don't have usage for it. I use IDE for programming, and as far as writing text goes, I need that only for writing notes or software documentation, and for that I use Drafts app, Roam Research, or Google Docs.
But I am curious to learn how people use VSCode as a "text editor".
Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#549One of the features I really like about VS Code is the source control, which is super simple and easy to use and understand. Especially the diff view and resolving of merge conflicts using UI. I find Intellij to be somewhat more complex in this regard.
Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code
#550Earlier quoted context omitted.
I write Java in vim all day and it's fine. I'm also one of the top code contributors in my org by any metric (LoC submitted, bugs fixed, tech debt reduced, etc.) And everyone else uses IntelliJ. You devote time to learning your tools and improve the efficiency of the parts that matter, and the tool itself becomes mostly background.
THIS ! As a "professional" you owe it to yourself, to spend some time and actually learn you tools ! Not just "how to get by" but actually schedule time in your week to learn about the tool ! Shortcuts etc !
Could you explain how would you go about renaming a method with a few dozen usages using VIM?
(curious what's the "right" way to do this in Vim)