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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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I finally gave up on Firefox when I noticed a few websites just wouldn’t work when using it compared to Chromium. I think the writing is on the wall.

yes,... websites like google meet, that opportunistically penalize firefox users in order to expand chrome user base...

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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It is interesting to note that Brendan Eich's severance pay when he was forced out of Mozilla was just $113,000. https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2015/11/30/mozilla... Also interesting to note that Brendan Eich too plotted a chart showing Baker's pay vs Mozilla stock's performance: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584 How anyone can claim that sort of pay hike when showing very poor res…

>>"It is interesting to note that Brendan Eich's severance pay when he was forced out of Mozilla was just $113,000" He was 11 days on the job, so, not so bad.

He was a co-founder of Mozilla. What the hell? He had been CTO before he was made CEO.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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> Mobile browsing numbers are bleak: Firefox barely exists on phones, with a market share of less than half a percent. This is baffling given that mobile Firefox has a rare feature for a mobile browser: it's able to install extensions and so can block ads.

This is true, and indeed very strange. I use FF on mobile and it works perfectly. So Mozilla's problems aren't only technical, there's also a question of market awareness.

That said, there are also technical problems. Some bugs on the desktop linger on for years and are never fixed.

As described in the article, Mozilla spent a lot of energy into side projects that never went anywhere and were only loosely related to the browser.

This is all, obviously, a management problem.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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The title is a quite clickbaity but the article has good points.

Mozilla has no shareholders so the pay of its CEO cannot be justified by the usual arguments - that shareholders decided it presumably in their best interest. Comparing Mozilla with NGOs seems appropriate.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#255

I really want Mozilla to succeed. But I just can't bring myself to use Firefox as a daily driver. Just open a few tabs on a top of the line macbook, and a twitch stream and things get very laggy. I've seen numerous people craving for better container support, which is definitely a killer feature for people going forward towards a more private web. Why isn't Mozilla more actively developing this? Developers were the p…

Don't experience the lag but my fans and energy usage goes haywire on my top of the line 2018 15" pro.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't paid what they "deserve" but what value they provide to the company. If the situation exists (whether created by the CEO or not) that makes it more expensive to replace the CEO, then unless they plan on firing the ceo, the ceo's value to the company increases because they are expensive to replace. Or to put another way, life isn't fair and outcomes dont neccesarily align with what people deserve in a mo…

That's not even true. If the CEO is running the company into the ground how are they being paid based upon the value they are bringing to the company?

Its justification of the status quo, not explanation.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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being unfair to other’s family members didn’t stop the layoffs.

OTOH, the people laid off are notoriously competent and will easily find new well paying jobs. The CEO's yacht won't pay itself.

sad but true

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#258

My opinion for the last few years has been that firefox is a total shitshow. There's no innovation in usability whatsoever. All it does is open websites and if you want anything fancy beyond that you'll have to get an extension. Chrome already does this and markets itself as just doing it better while firefox kinda just passively takes it. Normal users don't read nerdy tech blogs explaining why the latest under-the-h…

I think Gecko doesn't have a chance. I totally believe trying to fight this fact is crying over spilled milk. Microsoft tried. They tried not to lose ground with IE 9. Then again with IE 10. Then with IE 11. Then with Edge.

If Microsoft couldn't win and had to accept Blink, Mozilla can't compete. In its current form, Firefox can’t win. And this critique comes from someone who’s main browser is Firefox. Mozilla can’t compete with Google and Microsoft contributing to Blink (or Apple to WebKit).

From a performance standpoint, Firefox is not better. From a differentiating standpoint, Firefox doesn’t have the extension capabilities it used to. From a user’s perspective, there is very little incentive to recommend Firefox. From a website maintainer’s perspective, every year there is less incentive to support Firefox. This is the same downwards spiral that Microsoft saw.

Gecko will die and Mozilla will have to accept Blink. It’s the hard-cold truth. And all of this is ignoring the fact that Mozilla depends economically on Google.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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post #248

Meh pay doesn't bother me - that's an internal problem for them. What does bother me is firefox on a mac (2018 15inch pro), it just trashes the battery life. Too many tabs open and the fans go haywire, energy usage spikes etc. My mac is at 140 cycles with approx 72% of the design capacity of the battery left, I'm convinced this is because of firefox's bad performance. Might not be but it's the biggest suspect. I've b…

piggybacking on this, the performance of Firefox on a Mac with a 4k external screen is abysmal. any action at all takes an extra second or two to perform. not to mention that if i start watching a youtube video it makes the fans go crazy.

i changed back to chrome because of this and it's so much smoother.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole "need to fight native with the web tech" thing is flawed. I am not sure where that idea came from, but it does no good for anyone.

Right? Native is by nature faster, which makes sense on the resource sensitive devices. webOS (the Palm thing) did the same mistake, I think. It makes sense on desktop, and even there people keep complaining about Electron performance.

I have an LG WebOS television and it runs extremely smoothly. VS Code is an electron app and nobody complains about its performance.

Ultimately webOS didn't lose because it was web tech. It lost because Android and iOS already captured the market. Windows Phone was a .NET runtime with similar performance to Java, but it failed to capture the market even with billions in Microsoft subsidies.

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