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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by xorcist »

twblalock wrote: post #94
Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

The Mozilla execs could all make more money at FAANG companies just down the road from Mozilla HQ. If they left, it would probably be pretty hard to replace them with anyone capable of saving Firefox who would settle for less. The same is true for most of the engineers at Mozilla. They could go to FAANGs and increase their compensation quite a bit. So while I agree that the leadership has been bad, executive pay was…

> it would probably be pretty hard to replace them with anyone capable of saving Firefox

If this counts as "saving Firefox" I'm not sure I want to know the alternative.

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Post by jononor »

rbanffy wrote: post #141
Aeolun wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution to being underpaid is to find a new job. Not to suck the organization dry...

Sucking the organization dry is a perfectly valid solution for those who have the power to do so. It's bad for the organization, but the leadership doesn't really care about that.

If leadership does not care about the well being of the organization, that is a fireable offense. I mean, it's the entire purpose of the role.

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Post by shp0ngle »

rimliu wrote: post #189
shp0ngle wrote: post #18

I'm two fences on Firefox doing "too many unrelated things" as the article suggests. Firefox OS has been pretty much unsuccessful, but it sort of made sense? It started to be made when Firefox was still on top on desktop, but mobile started eating its lunch; and it was clear that Firefox need to do something about it, or the future will be all Chrome and Safari, on the two locked-down platforms. Which eventually happ…

The whole "need to fight native with the web tech" thing is flawed. I am not sure where that idea came from, but it does no good for anyone.

Right?

Native is by nature faster, which makes sense on the resource sensitive devices.

webOS (the Palm thing) did the same mistake, I think.

It makes sense on desktop, and even there people keep complaining about Electron performance.

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Post by therealx »

prox wrote: post #83
shp0ngle wrote: post #18

I'm two fences on Firefox doing "too many unrelated things" as the article suggests. Firefox OS has been pretty much unsuccessful, but it sort of made sense? It started to be made when Firefox was still on top on desktop, but mobile started eating its lunch; and it was clear that Firefox need to do something about it, or the future will be all Chrome and Safari, on the two locked-down platforms. Which eventually happ…

We can’t even get developers to use FF, the times I read about it here (and maybe it is a vocal minority idk) that a developer doesn’t like a certain feature. Or they are missing feature X from chrome. I think it would be a valid strategy if you do go after developers and sysadmins. So pour resources in getting parity where devs think they would switch. In general whenever I help installing software for someone, I in…

The addon store for Chrome is close in 2021 though, so thats kind of moot. I'm sure some will convert to other payment methods, but I think it's rare.

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Post by irrational »

Spoppys wrote: post #155
ekianjo wrote: post #128

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This cant be true because cancel culture does not exist, I am being told.

Not every bad thing that happens to someone, or every time someone is criticized counts as cancel culture. Cancelling has a heavy element of being ostracised from a community and having your reputation destroyed.

I remember when Eich was outsted. It was textbook cancel culture. Do you really think his reputation has recovered?

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Post by UK-Al05 »

lightgreen wrote: post #148
ekianjo wrote: post #125

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Does Mozilla have a board? Who gets to fire the CEO in this organization?

Seems like Mitchell is both CEO and board member https://wiki.mozilla.org/Board is that even legal?

Not only is it legal. It's fairly standard.

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Post by magicalhippo »

kbenson wrote: post #68
abiogenesis wrote: post #21

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Not sure about the twitch stream but I routinely open 30+ tabs on my 5 year old 16GB Macbook and I don't feel a lag

I have definitely seen something make the browser extremely laggy, but only the last few weeks. It does seem to be related to certain tabs/sites though, but I haven't figured out which.

For me it is Slack. Slack's JS leaks memory. Several times I notice Firefox really bogging down, I check about:memory and the Slack tab is eating 4GB of memory or more. Once it was nearly 7GB.

So I've had to install an auto-reload extension[1] which simply reloads the Slack tab once an hour, and that contains Slacks stupidity.

Now Firefox is nice and fast, even with hundreds of tabs across many windows.

[1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/reloadmatic/

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Post by lorenzhs »

drdaeman wrote: post #35
guerrilla wrote: post #16

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> better container support What's wrong with the support it has? [1] [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...

At least one thing: containers don't have separate settings. I.e. one can't disable adblocking for the shopping container. Or, the very contrary, have a special no-cookies casual browsing container for very limited tracking.

It sounds like you want separate profiles, not containers. The point of containers is that all the settings and addons and saved passwords are still there. If you don't want that, you can create a second profile with different settings and a different set of addons, etc.

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Post by sakjdlask »

I had a thought about Mozilla yesterday. I was wondering what browser people in government agencies such as secret services use ?

If they use Chrome that could be a risk for them since it does/could collect browsing data.

Do you think selling extra privacy features to governments could be a viable business model ?

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