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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by rustybolt »

nitemice wrote: post #404
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

As someone who uses all three of the editors you named, I think that each serves a pretty different purpose in practice. Each aspires to be the be-all, end-all editor/IDE, but that's just unrealistic to me. For me, I use VIM all day, every day at work (C++), because while it doesn't have the full IDE experience out of the box, it's close enough, and can be brought much closer with various plugins and knowledgeable ad…

I couldn't stand VScode when I tried it. To be honest I didnt even get it working properly for C development. Visual studio on the other hand is awesome.

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Post by tester34 »

derefr wrote: post #238
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

Fancy IDEs are lubricants for high-friction languages. If a language is already low-friction, there won't be much benefit to be gained from an IDE, as even a plain text editor will already get you near to optimal productivity in said language. Personally, I'd rather use a plain-old "code editor" (with at most syntax highlighting, but no snippets, let alone autocomplete), in part because doing so will actively steer m…

>Seen through that lens, a programming language that requires the cybernetic prosthesis of an IDE to read and write it fluidly, is a bad programming language.

>Imagine if there was a hammer that was so badly-balanced that—despite being not too hard to lift—you needed to be wearing a powered exoskeleton to accurately hold and swing it.

You don't use IDE to be able to use language, you use IDE to increase your productivity. Instead typing whole for loop you just use shortcuts, instead of changing class name in 5 places you just change it in once. You save time.

>We can do the whole thing on paper, or a blackboard, or even purely in our mind's eye.

But do you remember that class `PurchaseHandler` has method `BegingPurchaseProcess`?

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by aichi »

At first glance the history looks legit but there are missing holes. From 2004 till now we have multi platform/language editor called Eclipse. From early days it supports plugins. How that one fit in the story? Shouldn't author prefer that one for it's longevity?

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Post by BozeWolf »

torben-friis wrote: post #510
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

My personal gripe with intellij is how unintuitive the shortcuts are and how much clicking is the default way of operating. intelligent completion is something like cmd+mayus+space. "find usages" is cmd + f7 (which in osx means cmd + fn+ f7). The "open" dialog for opening a project doesn't even have a default shortcut, it's mouse based and will open a second dialog asking if you want a new window or just reusing the…

shift-shift is the 42 of intellij editors, open files, rename things, import ordering, search class/function/method definition etc etc.

"shift-shift open" to open projects. next time it will probably be "shift-shift o" It also displays the actual shortcut.

Integrated terminal (and all other cases) switch focus to the editor: escape.

For all other cases: you are probably aware that you can change shortcuts. For example to vim shortcuts. Not 100% the same but still. And yes, switching editors take some time get used to.

(I love pycharm, i like VScode for small projects, dont like the un-integrated mess of for example spell check correcting function names?)

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Post by [deleted] »

tomc1985 wrote: post #390
dragonwriter wrote: post #375

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> Yeah but "Hello World" in actual java is a main class and a quick write to stdout, like most any other normal (programming, not scripting) language. Scripting languages are programming languages, and a class with a method is only typical of a narrow class of languages (most of which that aren't Java are specifically designed to closely follow Java); leaving aside those programming languages typically called “script…

My point was that Java's hello world is comparable to most other language, and that hello world in Android is a poor example

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Post by IanSanders »

andrewstuart wrote: post #21

I'm not a fan of VS Code because everything is a plugin. And plugins are inconsistent, buggy, inconsistently documented, hard to use and find and update and goodness knows who developed them. Plugins can be duplicated, outdated, abandoned and incompatible. But worst of all, a big pile of plugins isn't a consistent integrated product vision. I gave VSCode a solid go, and I had to keep installing plugin after plugin, b…

Did MS give up on fixing VS bugs and just went 180? Or did they plan VSCode to replace VS but then discovered it would be too much work?

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by [deleted] »

brabel wrote: post #470
dheera wrote: post #264

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The way people use Java is a problem. Spin a blank "hello world" project in Android Studio and you get no less than 79 files, and it won't work the next time you update Android Studio because of some Gradle errors. I don't know what went wrong, but "hello world" should not be 79 files, it should be something that I can hand-code in something less than an IDE.

The language is not the problem: A Kotlin Android project will have the same number of files. This is a problem with the Android platform itself.

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Post by RMPR »

agrippanux wrote: post #106
valvar wrote: post #42

For those that like Vim, but also like some of the features that VS Code offers, but do not like VS Code itself and/or its Vim integrations or emulations, I must heartily recommend coc.nvim [0]. It's like using a modern IDE, minus the bloat and anti-features which make most of them (including, of course, VS Code) painful to use. [0] - https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim

I will second this, I use coc.nvim for Typescript projects and it works great. coc + NERDTree + fugitive + a good theme like gruvbox and you're gtg.

> a good theme like gruvbox

Let me guess, Theprimeagen?

While Fugitive is very good, I've yet to find a better Git client than Magit, that's actually one of the things that make me reluctant to switch to Vim full time.

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Post by gimboland »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #395
renewiltord wrote: post #384

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Well, I think you're right about performance being a problem, but I have 64 GiB and a 4790k and an NVMe SSD. It's like half a percentage of my pre-tax income and was even less when I bought it. I don't need efficiency. I need something that, given fuel, gives me power. And as someone who has donated to vim, was an early backer of neovim's bountysource, and loves his terminal: vim is my ion drive, IntelliJ and friends…

I'm not sure how performance is a problem for Intellij. Granted, I've only ever used Pycharm but I've never felt it sluggish or "slow" or got the impression I was waiting around for the IDE to do its thing . All this on a 2013 MBP with 16GB of RAM. I've found it also works very well on Linux on a laptop with a i5-8250U and 16 GB of RAM. The only thing that seems "slow" is starting up and indexing libraries and whatno…

You may change your mind if you plug your MBP into an external 4K display and try to use a scaled resolution: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-526 — don't get me wrong, I love PyCharm too for all the reasons spoken about in this thread, but this issue (which has been open for five years now) has made me attempt to jump ship to VSCode for my python work several times. I _do_ always come back to PyCharm... so far...
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