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A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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Off topic: how is one supposed to search for "/e/"? Is there some alternative spelling? On topic: I like that /e/ foundation is selling new and refurbished phones with the OS installed. It (hopefully) gives them some income and it helps get this OS in hands of users who would rather not tempt the goddess of bricks.

eOS ?

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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I wish that FOSS could serve this, but as you said, it took Google, a billion dollar company, a long time to get it right. /e/OS has about 40 team members mentioned on their website, including regular contributors - so its not 40 full-time employees. I think the best chance to get something going in this field is to try to get public funding for a research project around something like universal accessibility or some…

If FOSS can not cater to people with special needs per definition, as you seem to imply, I will have to stop advocating it altogether. If advocating for FOSS means supporting a movement that is not willing to bridge the gap and fight against digital divide, we need to stop doing so. Technology is the best chance for people with disabilities to catch up in our society. If we take that aware from them, we are not doing…

This is more a problem of man-time/funding than willingness.

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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I'm a FP3 and /e/ user for about half a year now. And well, it works for me but frankly there are some issues. Nothing I'm not willing to take, but it's different to the premium android device with google services before. The Appstore provides some apps. But not all of them and some are quite outdated. They seem to get their APKs from https://info.cleanapk.org/. Some apps just don't work or stop reacting to touches. But this can be an Issue with the missing Google Services. The FP3 is a decent phone. It does its job well images are ok (old camera) focus and stabilization are not as good as flagship phones. The fingerprint reader is pretty unreliable. It usually needs some tries... However, its repairable, the price is fair for what you get, they try to be sustainable, there is /e/-os and lineage available. That's the main reason I bought it: I expect to use it as long as I want and not only as log as the manufacturer publishes the patches.

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish that FOSS could serve this, but as you said, it took Google, a billion dollar company, a long time to get it right. /e/OS has about 40 team members mentioned on their website, including regular contributors - so its not 40 full-time employees. I think the best chance to get something going in this field is to try to get public funding for a research project around something like universal accessibility or some…

If FOSS can not cater to people with special needs per definition, as you seem to imply, I will have to stop advocating it altogether. If advocating for FOSS means supporting a movement that is not willing to bridge the gap and fight against digital divide, we need to stop doing so. Technology is the best chance for people with disabilities to catch up in our society. If we take that aware from them, we are not doing…

> supporting a movement that is not willing to ...

Where did you get the impression that anyone is "unwilling"???

Do you have an example of this, or is it, as other comments point out, just a resourcing issue?

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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/e/ is a great idea, but it really leaves a sour taste in my mouth how the /e/ foundation hides the contributions of the free software projects they rely on.

https://microg.org/ is the core that makes it possible to create the /e/ distribution, but good luck finding that in any of /e/'s promotional material.

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If FOSS can not cater to people with special needs per definition, as you seem to imply, I will have to stop advocating it altogether. If advocating for FOSS means supporting a movement that is not willing to bridge the gap and fight against digital divide, we need to stop doing so. Technology is the best chance for people with disabilities to catch up in our society. If we take that aware from them, we are not doing…

If a lot of people like you stop supporting it because it lacks accessibility, it might not become big enough to have the resources to implement accessibility. Chicken and egg thing.

We need to stop treating accessibility as an afterthought. Adding accessibility in a late stage of product development leads to suboptimal results, both in term of developer time needed and user experience. This is exactly why Google took so long to do proper Android accessibility.

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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Off topic: how is one supposed to search for "/e/"? Is there some alternative spelling? On topic: I like that /e/ foundation is selling new and refurbished phones with the OS installed. It (hopefully) gives them some income and it helps get this OS in hands of users who would rather not tempt the goddess of bricks.

It is a placeholder name. The previous name was Eelo, but it was in conflict with an already existing brand.

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish that FOSS could serve this, but as you said, it took Google, a billion dollar company, a long time to get it right. /e/OS has about 40 team members mentioned on their website, including regular contributors - so its not 40 full-time employees. I think the best chance to get something going in this field is to try to get public funding for a research project around something like universal accessibility or some…

If FOSS can not cater to people with special needs per definition, as you seem to imply, I will have to stop advocating it altogether. If advocating for FOSS means supporting a movement that is not willing to bridge the gap and fight against digital divide, we need to stop doing so. Technology is the best chance for people with disabilities to catch up in our society. If we take that aware from them, we are not doing…

Your comment shows a fundamental misunderstanding of F/LOSS. It's a movement for software's freedom and consequently users' freedom.

Programmers from all over the world work on their free time on projects, some foundations exist supported by individual donations and companies' funding. Some companies release their code as F/LOSS.

There is no single entity that dictates what software is built and moreover people working on F/LOSS are (I would say) on average more aware/sensitive of their work's impact. I know for example that GNOME people are actively trying to better accessibility and would welcome the help (your time and skill or donations, or both).

https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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/e/ is a great idea, but it really leaves a sour taste in my mouth how the /e/ foundation hides the contributions of the free software projects they rely on. https://microg.org/ is the core that makes it possible to create the /e/ distribution, but good luck finding that in any of /e/'s promotional material.

MicroG is mentioned a lot as a part of /e/ check https://e.foundation/get-started/ Does /e/ = Lineage OS + MicroG?

Re: A look at /e/OS on the FairPhone 3 – a FOSS OS for phones [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If FOSS can not cater to people with special needs per definition, as you seem to imply, I will have to stop advocating it altogether. If advocating for FOSS means supporting a movement that is not willing to bridge the gap and fight against digital divide, we need to stop doing so. Technology is the best chance for people with disabilities to catch up in our society. If we take that aware from them, we are not doing…

Your comment shows a fundamental misunderstanding of F/LOSS. It's a movement for software's freedom and consequently users' freedom. Programmers from all over the world work on their free time on projects, some foundations exist supported by individual donations and companies' funding. Some companies release their code as F/LOSS. There is no single entity that dictates what software is built and moreover people worki…

On the one hand, you are right. GNOME has been doing good work in the past. The move from CORBA to D-Bus didn't help to stabilize the AT-SPI, leaving us with a halfway broken system for years. But please dont get me going on donating to GNOME. I once donated 500 EUR to GNOME, back in the days when they had their friends of GNOME initiative. I was trying to earmark my donation so that it goes directly to Accessibility development. I neither got a thank you, nor did my donation ever get listed on their friends page. All I got out from this was the feeling that my money was effectively lost somewhere in the system.

Also, I am contributing to F/LOSS code since about 20 years. You might think I am "fundamentally misunderstanding" things. I believe I just have a different opinion on things then you. Lets leave it at that.

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