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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by beaker52 »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #8

I really want Mozilla to succeed. But I just can't bring myself to use Firefox as a daily driver. Just open a few tabs on a top of the line macbook, and a twitch stream and things get very laggy. I've seen numerous people craving for better container support, which is definitely a killer feature for people going forward towards a more private web. Why isn't Mozilla more actively developing this? Developers were the p…

I feel bad because I've been using Firefox as a daily on both my desktop and mobile for a few months. I've just this week decided to ditch Firefox and accept Chrome, despite it's questionable Google-ness.

Firefox Mobile is generally fine, though I occasionally end up in a state where tabs refuse to load and I need to kill the whole app. Minor annoyance.

Desktop though, when I've got a bunch of tabs open and I close a bunch down by clicking the 'x's, I definitely notice how much Firefox speeds up as I close each tab. What drove the knife in was on the odd occasion that I needed Chrome, opening it up was like a breath of fresh air that was hard to ignore. Pages just seem to load faster and the Chrome seems more responsive under lots-of-tab situations.

Another part is peer pressure - the frontend guys all just use chrome, so pairing is a little bit more frictious. Though there is benefit to having someone in the team who uses something different to Chrome. I just don't want to be that guy.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by mumblerino »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #101
Symbiote wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative: move the HQ and most development to Europe, where these ridiculous salaries are not common (see the example in the article of The Guardian boss), but there is still a strong privacy culture.

That might work but how often does that happen really? SV companies relocate development but never the top brass to Europe as they would lose their pay, status and network. Believe it or not, just like with dating and real estate, your monetary value is more dependent on where you are rather than how good you are. Shocking, I know.

Tell me more about the dating part

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by martin_a »

scoutt wrote: post #103
martin_a wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you even spend around 2.5 million A YEAR (okay, before taxes, whatever) if you're not BURNING the cash? I don't get it.

Let's says it's the half after taxes: 1.25M. Spending 3424 a day for 365 days should get you there. You have to realize it's our fault to not understand these poor people.

Breaking it down on daily expenses really helps me understand how bad their situation is. Thanks for that!

(I don't even make that much in a month (after taxes)).

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by ekianjo »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

Did they look at the market of piss poor at their jobs execs before judging they were underpaid?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by Daub »

prox wrote: post #83
shp0ngle wrote: post #18

I'm two fences on Firefox doing "too many unrelated things" as the article suggests. Firefox OS has been pretty much unsuccessful, but it sort of made sense? It started to be made when Firefox was still on top on desktop, but mobile started eating its lunch; and it was clear that Firefox need to do something about it, or the future will be all Chrome and Safari, on the two locked-down platforms. Which eventually happ…

We can’t even get developers to use FF, the times I read about it here (and maybe it is a vocal minority idk) that a developer doesn’t like a certain feature. Or they are missing feature X from chrome. I think it would be a valid strategy if you do go after developers and sysadmins. So pour resources in getting parity where devs think they would switch. In general whenever I help installing software for someone, I in…

> Aka do a Blender. Blender has gained momentum by getting things right, not adding features nobody wants, or Blender sidegigs.

There is a parsimoniousness about Blender that is really quite incredible. I have rarely used an app that has so successfully resisted feature-creep and bloat. E.g. unlike almost all other 3D apps, it has no radial array tool or feature. Why not? Because you can cook your own using a simple linear array.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by rbanffy »

testerhn wrote: post #76
Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

being unfair to other’s family members didn’t stop the layoffs.

OTOH, the people laid off are notoriously competent and will easily find new well paying jobs.

The CEO's yacht won't pay itself.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by MattGaiser »

Why exactly is the revenue stream from Google a problem (everyone seems focused on that)? I don't see Google ending the partnership if just to protect itself from anti-trust action.

I suspect that Mozilla could just consider that near guaranteed income while they worked on other things as long as the browser stayed alive.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by rwmj »

jimnotgym wrote: post #117
IshKebab wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure The Guardian is the best example of economic success.

I think you need to qualify that statement

They only survived at all because they owned a stake in Auto Trader Group which was sold off for £600m, allowing their non-profit parent to continue operating. Since then they are just about breaking even with subscriptions. They also (very controversially) employ many unpaid interns to do journalist jobs.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by saagarjha »

jacquesm wrote: post #100

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

Says someone who is well versed in commenting on an online forum but not an executive for a large nonprofit. Look, I have nothing for or against Baker, but the constant “she knows nothing about her job because she isn’t a programmer” is just tiresome. You don’t have to be technical to be an effective leader. However, it usually does help and you surely do need to know when your company is going under.
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