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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

derefr wrote: post #238
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

Fancy IDEs are lubricants for high-friction languages. If a language is already low-friction, there won't be much benefit to be gained from an IDE, as even a plain text editor will already get you near to optimal productivity in said language. Personally, I'd rather use a plain-old "code editor" (with at most syntax highlighting, but no snippets, let alone autocomplete), in part because doing so will actively steer m…

So which languages do you prefer?

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Post by pjmlp »

Arnavion wrote: post #140
pjmlp wrote: post #39

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See the linked video, it is already on the specific moment they talk about it.

Yes, and your video shows Electron at ~700% of UWP C++ while React Native for Windows is at ~200% of UWP C++. That means an Electron program's reference set is ~3x as large as a RNfW program's, not 300x.

I stand corrected then.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by mekster »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #457
mekster wrote: post #350

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Hardware can fix that. I'm on latest MBA but I see no problem with performance. Recent hardware does have gigs of RAM to waste. Once IntelliJ is running, which takes less than 10 seconds, projects open instantly. Probably even better on desktop machines. Frankly VS code isn't good enough yet. It's the best if isn't for JetBrains but for instance, SQL queries are still just a string (unless I've missed the obvious plu…

I think this is largely a matter of where on the stack you tend to work. VSCode is significantly better than IntelliJ/WebStorm for JavaScript projects: jump to definition and the various refactorings are, IME, more reliable on development environments based on tsserver like VSCode.

I work on TS only project but VS Code doesn't highlight my SQL queries and what part is significantly better? Genuinely want to know. I would switch if it really is.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by modernerd »

cookiengineer wrote: post #441
nitemice wrote: post #404

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As someone who uses all three of the editors you named, I think that each serves a pretty different purpose in practice. Each aspires to be the be-all, end-all editor/IDE, but that's just unrealistic to me. For me, I use VIM all day, every day at work (C++), because while it doesn't have the full IDE experience out of the box, it's close enough, and can be brought much closer with various plugins and knowledgeable ad…

Your description pretty much sums it up for me. I use vim primarily for around 9 years now, and with ALE as a linter plugin it's integrated with languages I even don't know existed until I need to fix something in it in a foreign codebase. If I need to go typescript or web, vscode is very tightly integrated with the build toolchains, so the occasional fix in vscode is necessary for me when I need to fix a bug upstrea…

> I tried migrating to neovim a lot of times, but their syntax highlighting is always so damn broken even with a plain vimrc that I stopped bothering anymore.

I haven't encountered highlighting issues in neovim, but the treesitter feature in the upcoming neovim 0.5 improves highlighting a lot. (It's a plugin at the moment that requires a bit of configuration. This is the simplest setup explanation I have found: https://www.reddit.com/r/neovim/comments/iw9nx5/moonfly_nigh... )

I tried kakoune out for a while but missed Vim's window management, had the same struggle fighting muscle memory that you describe, missed the ecosystem from Vim, and I think some of the criticisms of Kakoune here are also valid: https://github.com/noctuid/dotfiles/blob/master/emacs/editin....

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by scoutt »

frankjr wrote: post #52

I completely switched to VS Code once I discovered the remote development feature [0]. It allows you to run VS Code locally but work on a project in a different environment (via SSH, Docker, WSL). The integration is seamless - search, debugger, terminal, extensions - everything looks and behaves as if it was running locally but is delegated to the configured remote. You can even have different remotes opened at the s…

Absolutely. I build Android images (AOSP/kernel/lk customization) and at the beginning I was using Eclipse over a shared network folder (I have dedicated remote hardware to host and build these monstrous images), but everything was a chore. Then I switched to VSCode + Remote Development over SSH.

Imagine placing the workspace at the root directory of the entire Android source tree, pressing ctrl + shift + F and finding anything in less than a couple of seconds. For C/C++ code, press F12 just ANYWHERE on the code to go to the definition, no matter if it's the entire kernel code, or vendor or AOSP code: it just finds the definition at lightspeed.

For building I use the integrated console. If there is an error or a warning anywhere, you can just click on the console an it takes you to the file with the error/warning. Also it integrates perfectly with Git and has extensions to parse DeviceTree files.

And everything was just much more appreciated while working at home during pandemic.

It sounds like a testimonial advertising, but it's the way it is.

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Post by sinfulprogeny »

willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

I tried out vscode for python now that I started a new job. I'm on linux for what it's worth. The experience has been massively frustrating coming from pycharm. First I installed the open source version, and found that microsoft publishes plugins that are programmed not to work with the open source version. They don't tell you this, rather, the plugin throws exceptions that some API is missing. I tried out the official version, and instead of whining about not being supported, it now just crashes intermittently. I gave up less than three days in.

I found configuration of code to be pretty annoying as well. Either you write json, having to google for things like how to format keyboard commands, or use their (subjectively) ugly configuration page.

The fact that I can't detach the terminal from the code window without some weird workaround was also something I couldn't come to terms with. I'm back in pycharm again.

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Post by RMPR »

jhoechtl wrote: post #54
BossingAround wrote: post #14

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It's good for JS. It's ok for Golang, since there doesn't seem to be anything better that's free. But I still feel it's an editor trying to be IDE. I love it for markdown/asciidoc though.

Using NVim with go-vim, disabled gopls instead using gopls from native lsp. I am fine with that combo. Markdown on Vim requires fiddling with formatoptions but combined with live :MarkdownPreview in the browser while you type in Vim is fine and displays mermaid among many other markdown extensions.

For markdown I don't use/need a plugin, with entr[0] and Pandoc you can emulate the live preview feature easily, without even needing a browser.

0: http://eradman.com/entrproject/

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

mekster wrote: post #504
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is largely a matter of where on the stack you tend to work. VSCode is significantly better than IntelliJ/WebStorm for JavaScript projects: jump to definition and the various refactorings are, IME, more reliable on development environments based on tsserver like VSCode.

I work on TS only project but VS Code doesn't highlight my SQL queries and what part is significantly better? Genuinely want to know. I would switch if it really is.

I found (on a team with a mix of VSC and WebStorm users) that VSCode had better overall support for jump to definition and refactorings: the refactorings, in particular, were more accurate and were less likely to change irrelevant locations or leave usages unchanged. Also, at the time, prettier integrated into VSC better: that may have changed since.

(This is mostly for Javascript: Typescript is more Java-like, so IntelliJ's tooling may be better there.)

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Post by torben-friis »

willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

My personal gripe with intellij is how unintuitive the shortcuts are and how much clicking is the default way of operating.

intelligent completion is something like cmd+mayus+space. "find usages" is cmd + f7 (which in osx means cmd + fn+ f7). The "open" dialog for opening a project doesn't even have a default shortcut, it's mouse based and will open a second dialog asking if you want a new window or just reusing the current one. CMd+mayus+f for global search wont work if my focus is on the integrated terminal, I have to click out of it.

I feel like I'm learning to play piano placing my hand in weird chord shapes constantly, and half those things launch an ui pane or menu that I practically need to navigate by clicking even if they sometimes technically allow some kind of keyboard interaction.

It's not like I'm an extreme vim+dvorak user obsessed with having everything in the home row at one button press, but a bit of thought into priorizing shortcuts and placing the common ones in comfy places would go a looong way.

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