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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#41

Devils advocate: you have to pay a top exec more if the company looks like its main product is in decline. Plus 2.4m/year isn't crazy in the scheme of tech salaries - that exec could potentially take other roles that pay even more.

> that exec could potentially take other roles that pay even more If he would do that, maybe better leadership would improve Mozillas situation.

She, looks like Mitchell Baker is back as CEO as of earlier this year.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Repeat after me: correlation is not causation.

In this case it probably is though. They have done everything else than focus on the core product since he left and they continue that trend today even if it's failing one.

That may be true, but it sounds like you particularly want to pin it on the 'woke' aspect even though there's a lot of other things involved.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#43

I'm two fences on Firefox doing "too many unrelated things" as the article suggests. Firefox OS has been pretty much unsuccessful, but it sort of made sense? It started to be made when Firefox was still on top on desktop, but mobile started eating its lunch; and it was clear that Firefox need to do something about it, or the future will be all Chrome and Safari, on the two locked-down platforms. Which eventually happ…

On the contrary I kinda see the point in the pocket and send to bridge the gap between desktop and mobile for the users that own both.

But the small brainless degradations of the UI in Firefox make me worry about its future. For example it’s not possible to permanently add exclusions to the privacy shield. Because of it the sites are often broken. And this is a feature that is directly user facing on the main screen!

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#45

The article notes the increase in pay and states > Mitchell Baker, Mozilla's top executive, was paid $2.4m in 2018 but doesn't offer any consideration or speculation as to why this is exaggerated. It's entirely possible that without that particular exec, Firefox would have been even worse off, or would have taken another direction with regards to privacy, etc. My subjective feeling is that $2.4m does indeed seem too…

Employees are judged routinely (quarterly, bi-annual, annually) all the time with high confidence, WITHOUT such "objective" data you are referring to. It seems like OP is simply applying the same measuring stick every other average employees are measured on.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case it probably is though. They have done everything else than focus on the core product since he left and they continue that trend today even if it's failing one.

Mitchell Baker is actually the one who laid off everyone to focus on the core product.

She laid them because there was not enough money to pay them. Focusing on the core product is only option left when the company no longer has manpower to do everything.

It would be an achievement if she shifted focus as soon as she became CEO, but several years later is probably too late.

Also she killed MDN, and that’s a big loss for the internet.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

The problem is not that they get most of their revenue from Google. The problem is that they have 5% share of the web now.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

#49

I finally gave up on Firefox when I noticed a few websites just wouldn’t work when using it compared to Chromium. I think the writing is on the wall.

Even though it's how it is currently that's not how it should be. Chrome is extinguishing the web browser right now. This is netscape territory done in a smarter manner than utilizing exclusivity deals with websites and software makers.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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The article notes the increase in pay and states > Mitchell Baker, Mozilla's top executive, was paid $2.4m in 2018 but doesn't offer any consideration or speculation as to why this is exaggerated. It's entirely possible that without that particular exec, Firefox would have been even worse off, or would have taken another direction with regards to privacy, etc. My subjective feeling is that $2.4m does indeed seem too…

Or maybe they shouldn't have let Brendan Eich go in the first place, who seems to be doing quite well with Brave right now. Maybe a good CEO isn't defined just by the salary he or she receives?

I was under the impression he was let go not because of performance, but because of controversy and lack of confidence and/or respect from a significant and growing portion of staff. At least that's how I remember it being presented.
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