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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by nl »

cercatrova wrote: post #296
laqq3 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read about this fact elsewhere also. Could you expand on this a bit? My impression was that VSCode and its associated extensions are open source, so I'm curious how Microsoft could make certain parts exclusive to its own build of VSCode.

Because VSCode is under a permissive license (MIT) rather than a copyleft license (GPL), Microsoft can add any proprietary extensions it wants. "Permissive" licenses are only permissive for the creator and other developers (only sometimes), not for the end user.

Since MS is the author, they could put it under GPL and still do this. They own the copyright.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by brabel »

xmprt wrote: post #366
aschatten wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(disclaimer: I am an IntelliJ fanboy) > From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. I don't know if you are talking about IntelliJ or VCS, but IntelliJ can quickly start an empty project. And you don't to spend time to figure out how things work.…

I've used both VSC and IntelliJ and I understand where you're coming from but when the parent comments says VSC is fast they really mean it. It's almost instantaneous and I can get a lot done in VSC even without all the complex smart functionality.

I use both VSC And IntelliJ. Searching symbols/usages/implementations in large projects is far faster in IntelliJ in my experience, not to mention it's much more accurate too but that's probably due to the language (Java/Kotlin in IntelliJ, Go/JS in VSC). It's really annoying when I have to wait seconds to find implementations of a Go interface in VSC as I am used to IntelliJ's instantaneous searches. I think you mean VSC is faster to start up, and perhaps to type? It's certainly not faster overall.

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Post by devilduck »

nightowl_games wrote: post #334
varispeed wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

JetBrains products _are_ pretty much the best. I think Android Studio + Kotlin is the best, most impressive IDE experience I've ever had. Mostly because Android Development in general is kinda hard, and Android Studio cleans it all up so nicely for you. It really outshines XCode in this regard. I've never used CLion but I really want to. That being said, I think it's clear that VSCode is, and will remain, dominant. F…

JetBrains makes some pretty great software overall, and I absolutely love DataGrip, but they aren't without flaws. I find them to be bulky and full of features I will probably never use. It's preferable to have a decent base and add features with plugins, for me.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by 978e4721a »

willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

Intellij is always too buggy and slow for me. Things it helps you with - it's a language verbosity problem. Ideally you should just use better language.

And they also stopped bringing any more advanced features, like refactoring from null to Optional for example, or reversing template method.

If we're talking about java specifically vscode and vim would just use eclipse language server which can do most of the things intellij can like refactorings and snippets. And for other languages like python ms language server is even better than pycharm for example.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by zelphirkalt »

ezluckyfree wrote: post #109
frankjr wrote: post #52

I completely switched to VS Code once I discovered the remote development feature [0]. It allows you to run VS Code locally but work on a project in a different environment (via SSH, Docker, WSL). The integration is seamless - search, debugger, terminal, extensions - everything looks and behaves as if it was running locally but is delegated to the configured remote. You can even have different remotes opened at the s…

Note that this feature doesn't work in open source builds of VSCode, it's an MS only thing.

I am no VS Code user, but if this is true, we are at phase 2 of EEE. What will be next?

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Post by z3t4 »

daxvena wrote: post #454

Honestly, the tools developed out of VSCode have made my Emacs environment so much more powerful, and so much easier to set up for new languages. With the language server protocol & debug adapter protocol, I can just plugin in a couple of servers and have a full-blown IDE environment that uses a consistent interface across multiple languages. I remember spending so much time trying out and setting up ctags, ggtags, i…

My issue with the language server protocol is that it takes away power from the editor rather then giving power to the editor. Eg. sending text-edit instructions rather then providing an API for code intelligence. And in turns it creates too much work for the language server as it has to both make static analysis while at the same time baby-sitting the editor. Meanwhile the language servers I've tested is only half complete and the editor need a great deal of glue code and extra functionality for each language server. Also the language server need to run on a server, it would be much better if it was script based so it could run on many platforms.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by 978e4721a »

nightowl_games wrote: post #334
varispeed wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

JetBrains products _are_ pretty much the best. I think Android Studio + Kotlin is the best, most impressive IDE experience I've ever had. Mostly because Android Development in general is kinda hard, and Android Studio cleans it all up so nicely for you. It really outshines XCode in this regard. I've never used CLion but I really want to. That being said, I think it's clear that VSCode is, and will remain, dominant. F…

Don't forget it cam sync your configuration or let you sync it yourself as a file.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by 0x008 »

barkingcat wrote: post #91
andrewstuart wrote: post #21

I'm not a fan of VS Code because everything is a plugin. And plugins are inconsistent, buggy, inconsistently documented, hard to use and find and update and goodness knows who developed them. Plugins can be duplicated, outdated, abandoned and incompatible. But worst of all, a big pile of plugins isn't a consistent integrated product vision. I gave VSCode a solid go, and I had to keep installing plugin after plugin, b…

You don't need all the plugins. You just need a curated set. And some of the plugins are fantastically high quality. The Microsoft Python one is excellent, as is the Remote development one. I'm a fan of VS Code because in spite of it having a plug in system, there are great plug ins there. And that one single great plugin is all that is needed (for that specific purpose)

Sorry to spoil the party here but I wouldn’t call it excellent. I need to set environment variables and PYTHONPATH in 3 places (for the integrated terminal, for background processes and for the debugger). New environments are only detected after restart of the UI and It doesn’t Index or allow go to definition for libraries downloaded via pip most of the time. Also no refactoring support...

This is really frustrating. Am I doing something wrong?

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by brabel »

dheera wrote: post #264
winrid wrote: post #255

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Java doesn't have a lot of friction. In fact, IntelliJ is probably the closest you'll get today to the "golden age" of programming with something like Turbo Pascal. Also, good luck doing major refactoring with a text editor. In 2020 we can do better than find and replace.

The way people use Java is a problem. Spin a blank "hello world" project in Android Studio and you get no less than 79 files, and it won't work the next time you update Android Studio because of some Gradle errors. I don't know what went wrong, but "hello world" should not be 79 files, it should be something that I can hand-code in something less than an IDE.

The language is not the problem: A Kotlin Android project will have the same number of files.

This is a problem with the Android platform itself.

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