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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by renewiltord »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #395
renewiltord wrote: post #384

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Well, I think you're right about performance being a problem, but I have 64 GiB and a 4790k and an NVMe SSD. It's like half a percentage of my pre-tax income and was even less when I bought it. I don't need efficiency. I need something that, given fuel, gives me power. And as someone who has donated to vim, was an early backer of neovim's bountysource, and loves his terminal: vim is my ion drive, IntelliJ and friends…

I'm not sure how performance is a problem for Intellij. Granted, I've only ever used Pycharm but I've never felt it sluggish or "slow" or got the impression I was waiting around for the IDE to do its thing . All this on a 2013 MBP with 16GB of RAM. I've found it also works very well on Linux on a laptop with a i5-8250U and 16 GB of RAM. The only thing that seems "slow" is starting up and indexing libraries and whatno…

IntelliJ performs poorly if you have a many-module project with multiple independent `pom.xml` or gradle files on that Mac config you described. It does require tuning in this scenario to ensure that its Maven and Gradle imports do not fail and leave you unable to resolve your types. If you have a generate-source step you're going to be in even more trouble.

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Post by Semaphor »

fomine3 wrote: post #339
winphone1974 wrote: post #315

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If you think c# with resharper is good, cut out the middleman and just go with rider.

Rider is good but a pros for VS+Resharper is it can avoid to use Java GUI app.

But until they finish the out-of-process refactoring for ReSharper, Rider is vastly faster.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by syspec »

This is also largely due to the rise in popularity of JavaScript. I still feel that the IntelliJ editors are still superior, and while it cost money it's not even a stop in the bucket compared to the productivity gains that come with their editors

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Post by orange8 »

nickjj wrote: post #166
orange8 wrote: post #146

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What are some of all these pretty critical and interesting components you mention?

The biggest feature is probably remote. This is what allows you to have your code in a remote location (SSH, WSL and containers) and still get an integrated experience as if things were all running locally. If your app is Dockerized or you use Windows with WSL and you like intellisense, you're likely using this feature. Some of the language servers for popular languages are closed source too, which is weird because I…

What you don't seem to grasp is the difference between a project, and the eco-system that grows around it. SSH, WSL, Docker, third party language servers etc are not a part of VS Code.

> That's not an exhaustive list

What list? You haven't mentioned a single one of "all these pretty critical and interesting components" you talked about.

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Post by makstaks »

willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

I think the fairer comparison is with Visual Studio 2019, not Visual Studio Code. Visual Studio Code is free, making it highly attractive for a larger audience. The pricing for IntelliJ is not accessible: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#personal?billing=yearly

I've also used IDEs that are highly optimized for Java and .NET. I agree it's great for the use case I had.

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willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

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Post by why_only_15 »

makstaks wrote: post #425
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

I think the fairer comparison is with Visual Studio 2019, not Visual Studio Code. Visual Studio Code is free, making it highly attractive for a larger audience. The pricing for IntelliJ is not accessible: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#personal?billing=yearly I've also used IDEs that are highly optimized for Java and .NET. I agree it's great for the use case I had.

What do you mean not accessible? $150/yr isn't insane for a piece of software you might spend 6 hours a day in.

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Post by beachy »

dathanb82 wrote: post #345
waheoo wrote: post #301

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The funny thing is that I can't tell if you're talking about intellij or vs code from the first paragraph. I find vscode a horrifying experience that is forced upon me because of poor choices made elsewhere in the org. I'm slowly picking up vim to replace it but I'd rather just not be forced out of my editor I still use daily (sublime.) In hindsight I wish I learned vim instead of sublime.

I sometimes wish I hadn’t learned vim, because it limits the tools I’m happy using. Since I’ve built the vim muscle memory, every other text editing experience feels crippled, so I actively avoid products that don’t support at least basic vim key bindings. Luckily the list of products with vim bindings keeps growing.

So true. Like when you find muscle memory has injected :wq into your file in notepad.

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Post by willbw »

makstaks wrote: post #425
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

I think the fairer comparison is with Visual Studio 2019, not Visual Studio Code. Visual Studio Code is free, making it highly attractive for a larger audience. The pricing for IntelliJ is not accessible: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#personal?billing=yearly I've also used IDEs that are highly optimized for Java and .NET. I agree it's great for the use case I had.

Personally I never have used the features of Ultimate and just use the Community Edition and CE is free.

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Post by orange8 »

jen20 wrote: post #326
orange8 wrote: post #157

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If I've never heard of those plugins, they cannot be that critical or even interesting.

Live Share is probably _the most_ interesting feature of the entire editor, and is not open source or usable with VSCodium. See [1] for further links. [1]: https://underjord.io/the-best-parts-of-visual-studio-code-ar...

You have VS Code [1], and then there is the visual studio family of products [2] and then live-share [3].

[1] https://code.visualstudio.com/?wt.mc_id=DX_841432

[2] https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/

[3] https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/services/live-share/

Not sure you fully understand what the product called VS Code is, let alone its most interesting feature

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