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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by fmakunbound »

stefan_ wrote: post #98
frankjr wrote: post #52

I completely switched to VS Code once I discovered the remote development feature [0]. It allows you to run VS Code locally but work on a project in a different environment (via SSH, Docker, WSL). The integration is seamless - search, debugger, terminal, extensions - everything looks and behaves as if it was running locally but is delegated to the configured remote. You can even have different remotes opened at the s…

This is such a hugely undervalued feature, and no other editors seem to provide anything remotely close. I found it particularly useful for the COVID work from home - I yeeted my work laptop into a corner and just SSH into it to continue working with the ergonomics of my home desktop machine.

That's cool, but you can just "screen emacs" since it's not implemented inside a giant web browser.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by fmakunbound »

andrewstuart wrote: post #21

I'm not a fan of VS Code because everything is a plugin. And plugins are inconsistent, buggy, inconsistently documented, hard to use and find and update and goodness knows who developed them. Plugins can be duplicated, outdated, abandoned and incompatible. But worst of all, a big pile of plugins isn't a consistent integrated product vision. I gave VSCode a solid go, and I had to keep installing plugin after plugin, b…

> And plugins are inconsistent, buggy, inconsistently documented, hard to use and find and update and goodness knows who developed them. Plugins can be duplicated, outdated, abandoned and incompatible

This is why my experience with VS Code reminds me of Eclipse.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by easton »

5d749d7da7d5 wrote: post #223
frankjr wrote: post #52

I completely switched to VS Code once I discovered the remote development feature [0]. It allows you to run VS Code locally but work on a project in a different environment (via SSH, Docker, WSL). The integration is seamless - search, debugger, terminal, extensions - everything looks and behaves as if it was running locally but is delegated to the configured remote. You can even have different remotes opened at the s…

Remote has been a game changer for my development as well. Work forces me on a Windows machine with the full suite of corporate spyware. Said spyware loses its mind when compiling, debugging, language server inspection, git actions on large repo, etc. Performance loss is somewhere in the region 2-10x. With remote, I am able to do all coding on a non-infested Linux server with almost seamless usability.

Your company is equally cool with you just having all of your code/IP on a unsecured (i.e. not running crazy large antimalware, not actually insecure) Linux box?

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by nightowl_games »

varispeed wrote: post #228
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

From my experience out of the box you get poor performance and you have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to change configuration to improve it as knowledge is scattered in many places and not always up to date. Then it still likes to stall from time to time or sometimes doesn't register key presses properly. It's a poor user experience, but even worse is that alternatives are often worse. I wish there was an e…

JetBrains products _are_ pretty much the best. I think Android Studio + Kotlin is the best, most impressive IDE experience I've ever had. Mostly because Android Development in general is kinda hard, and Android Studio cleans it all up so nicely for you. It really outshines XCode in this regard.

I've never used CLion but I really want to.

That being said, I think it's clear that VSCode is, and will remain, dominant.

First: its free.

Second: it's simpler.

That alone is enough to make any product dominant. The fact that's it free, simple, and pretty much just works is pretty stunning.

VSCode for Unity Game Development kinda shocks me how you can literally install the IDE while the game is running and successfully attach a debugger. It's pretty wild how reliable it is.

I'm not a VSCode fan boy. I find that it lags on my PC sometimes. I kinda hate the "notifications" that it pops up with. And I don't like the auto update mechanism or the Welcome screen, but overall VSCode (or Codium) is clearly the next level of IDE.

I think Microsoft is going to build some really wild stuff on top of VSCode and Github.

I think there gonna come up with way to leverage the amount of data they can mine out of github repos to write code for you.

I'm pretty sure that's a big reason why they bought github.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by halayli »

frankjr wrote: post #52

I completely switched to VS Code once I discovered the remote development feature [0]. It allows you to run VS Code locally but work on a project in a different environment (via SSH, Docker, WSL). The integration is seamless - search, debugger, terminal, extensions - everything looks and behaves as if it was running locally but is delegated to the configured remote. You can even have different remotes opened at the s…

I use clion by jetbrains and been using remote development feature for almost a year now.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by kumarvvr »

willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

> without installing a million plugins

Perhaps that is because of the very narrow focus on what IntelliJ does and the functionality of plugins is part of the core system of IntelliJ.

In my view, VSCode is a platform. It's unfortunate that they chose to use Node (its slow) but otherwise, its a great platform to develop extensions for.

For someone just getting into programming, it offers a great stepping stone and it can handle medium sized projects quite well.

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Post by sk5t »

game_the0ry wrote: post #286
willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

> To me the future is IntelliJ for Java and all other languages should seek to have such a nicely integrated experience with an IDE. If you think Java + IntelliJ is well-integrated, you should try C# + VS, C# + Resharper. I am not joking or being facetious - modern C# IDE support is on another level. And I don't even like C#.

Conversely, I always hated the bloaty, intrusive ReSharper on VS.NET, and find IDEA very much nicer, even though C# is more naturally ergonomic than Java (but less ergonomic than Scala).

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by fomine3 »

winphone1974 wrote: post #315
game_the0ry wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To me the future is IntelliJ for Java and all other languages should seek to have such a nicely integrated experience with an IDE. If you think Java + IntelliJ is well-integrated, you should try C# + VS, C# + Resharper. I am not joking or being facetious - modern C# IDE support is on another level. And I don't even like C#.

If you think c# with resharper is good, cut out the middleman and just go with rider.

Rider is good but a pros for VS+Resharper is it can avoid to use Java GUI app.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by UnpossibleJim »

asxd wrote: post #306
fomine3 wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

C# is designed for comfortable with using IDE. I like both approach.

I can really appreciate the approach of designing a language to work alongside an IDE to allow both complexity and ease of use. That being said, in my heart of hearts I would rather have a language that I can use effectively without depending on a specific IDE, but I'm glad there are folks exploring that route.

So, with a full disclaimer that I am somewhat newish to C# and have only learned it because it operates in game engines faster (currently) and has become the language du'jour for game programming.

The glaring hole with C# however is, it is designed for Visual Studios, and that is NOT available for Linux. This is a GIANT hole in the programming world. Visual Studios Code fills that gap, thankfully, and I can use it in engines like Godot to make games. While these may not be AAA titles, they aren't an insignificant portion of developers in the world. Not only that, but C# is used in other areas of development where the preferred platform is Linux.

Luckily, for me and those of my ilk, people have hobbled together a system in VSC where Linux works with Godot and the exports are fine, but it's not nearly as easy as a supported system like Visual Studios on Windows and Mac.

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