As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#3Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly toxic and anti-science when campaigners for transgender rights attempt this kind of censorship and deplatforming?
If people can't even question the science, treatments or effects on children then it feels like a political ideology is at the wheel.
I've noticed this online in traditionally liberal-leaning forums. There's no room for nuance in discussion without being the recipient of vicious attacks, deplatforming or bans. If the case for transgender rights is so strong, you should not need these tactics to make your case. Make your case, don't attack those who respectfully question the policies and science.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#4I think Joe Rogan is so popular because he openly espouses ideas that MANY people feel and believe. It almost has to be the case. Basically, I think he believes that everyone should be free to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone -- unless they are trying to hurt each other in a fight, which is where the trans debate he's had is born from. It's a sort of "liberaltarian" approach that holds a lot of appeal and seems like an antidote against extreme views from the Left and Right. He seems like a genuinely good guy that is super interested in lots of different viewpoints.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#5Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism. Calling criticism "liberal backlash" is just using name calling instead of actually disputing those criticisms. If I say "Joe Rogan is a bit of a hack IMO", that isn't the same thing as "there is growing backlash to Joe Rogan from the hn liberal tech elite."
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#6My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists.
Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual audiences to determine who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.
The article frames this as 'elitist' and implies it's bad, but I think this 'here's a real guy who broadcasts from his garage and tells you the truth the mainstream won't tell you' attitude is harmful, it feeds into a particularly American culture of anti-intellectualism, it's the modern extension of talk radio.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#7"liberal" is too wide of a brush, basically; most folks are liberal (and also conservative!) and so the label brings in too many folks. Rogan's further to the left than the "liberal" centrist media; if it were not for all of the "signaling" that he does, like being a person who enjoys MMA, then he would be branded as a "socialist" just like his guests Bernie Sanders and Andrew Yang.
Ten words or less to answer the headline: Because mass media is actually quite illiberal.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#8Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly toxic and anti-science when campaigners for transgender rights attempt this kind of censorship and deplatforming? If people can't even question the science, treatments or effects on children then it feels like a political ideology is at the wheel. I've noticed this online in traditionally liberal-leaning forums. There's no room for nuance in discussion without being the re…
What exactly is there to question about the "science and treatments"? I'm curious what these totally rational questions are.
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#9My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…
Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)
Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?
#10Freedom of speech isn't freedom from criticism. Calling criticism "liberal backlash" is just using name calling instead of actually disputing those criticisms. If I say "Joe Rogan is a bit of a hack IMO", that isn't the same thing as "there is growing backlash to Joe Rogan from the hn liberal tech elite."
The article is pretty clearly calling out the hypocrisy of the criticisms. It says nothing about “you can’t criticize Joe Rogan”