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UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

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Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

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Seems like they identified 108 (2+64+42) students. During the 6 years examined the 4 universities admitted over 200,000 students, if my calculations are right [1]. It's definitely a serious problem that needs to be fixed, especially since there may be more not yet identified. But the problem is not large relative to class sizes.

[1] Current admission numbers are available for each university here https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/campuses-majors...

Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

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In this day and age, with all the fierce competition, it's a real problem that elite universities are admitting rich kids on such unfair and uneven grounds.

Going to the "correct" school can transform the life of some people, essentially pulling them up from the lower working classes, and opening up the doors to middle, or even upper-middle classes.

And what's even worse, a lot of these rich kids could go pretty much anywhere, without it affecting their future finances or lifestyle - if anything, it almost seems like a vanity project from their parents side, where they get the bragging rights that their kids are studying at HYPS or whatever.

And it's not that the kids of richer parents are necessarily worse, academically speaking - many of them get private tutors, go to private / prep schools, etc. from young age, but still the parents are so risk averse, that they feel the need to pour even more money, just to eliminate the stress of uncertainty. Even if it's illegal.

I know these cases encompass a broad range of controversy (for example that top-tier Asian-American students can't get into certain schools, because of some nonsensical "personality" assessments) - but in the end, it's just plain old classism. Doesn't mater what skin color you have, where you come from; As long as you have the cash, the odds are increasing in your favor.

Then you have rich folks like David E. Shaw. The guy spent literally tens of millions in donations, to all the top schools, just to increase the chance of his kids getting accepted (or rather - minimize the chances of their kids getting rejected)

Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

#43
The US university system is completely broken and ready for reformation. The endowments of so many of these schools are driving flawed behaviors that encourage these backdoor admissions. University athletics are in the same camp. These supposed money makers are just giant distractions from the universities missions to educate.

Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

#44

Have a rule. Our republic, and the California state government, is based on rule of law. One group makes the laws, another enforces it, and a third interprets the conflicts. This works. What we have here is a 'no rules' set of actions. How about rules that say "we will take any student for $200K/year". This is enough money to supply extra supervision and also give a full scholarship to another student.

1 for 1 isn't worth it, and the UC system already plays that game with international students where one international pays for 3 in-states. Make the buy-in price pay for 10 and I'm in support.

Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

#45

Upon close examination I think we would find the ALL schools do this. This is just a symptom of the underlying problem with our education system in the US. It’s no longer about educating but about $. When the almighty dolla gets in the way judgment is clouded. Come to think of it... maybe this happens in politics and medicine too? ;)

> Come to think of it... maybe this happens in politics and medicine too? ;)

indeed, the USA has made a business-marketplace out of anything, including things which should never be driven by profit driven competition (e.g. jails)

Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

#46

Have a rule. Our republic, and the California state government, is based on rule of law. One group makes the laws, another enforces it, and a third interprets the conflicts. This works. What we have here is a 'no rules' set of actions. How about rules that say "we will take any student for $200K/year". This is enough money to supply extra supervision and also give a full scholarship to another student.

The idea of privilege first entered the public sphere in the prelude to the French Revolution. "Privilege" in Old French literally means "private law".[1] It was the idea that a different set of rules for each of the Estates (Clergy, Nobles, and Commoners) was both fair and natural.

Are we are starting to see similarly different sets of rules for each class in the United States? Is such privilege in accordance with our ideals of liberty and justice for all?

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/privilege

Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

#47
post #33

Note that this is from "inappropriate" donations to school staff who did things like fudge athletic recommendations. It is entirely legal (though morally problematic) to "donate" your way into a school with a donation to the school directly.

These appear to be for donations to "campuses", "the university" or "the athletic department". I don't see any allegations that payments were made directly to individuals. It's likely that the staff generally (and probably correctly!) thought they were acting in the university's interests.

There have been other scandals in the last few years where officials were bribed directly, and that looked worse.

Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

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Meanwhile, the same California government is trying to legalize discriminatory race-based admissions.

And then we have google which likes to only hire from 'top tier schools' and then everyone else follows along. Believe me I've noticed how THAT has changed tech culture in the bay area.

Re: UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors to donors

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Not surprising at all; however, I am curious how someone who didn't meet the admissions criteria is able to graduate CAL with a passing GPA...

Colleges rarely if ever fail students. There’s a known phenomenon of grade curving (adding +x% to exams if it was difficult for some students) which I never understood during my time in higher education. Yet it makes sense because universities want to lessen liabilities and have rich alum give back (esp. the case with the children of wealthy donors).

I went to Berkeley and this wasn’t true for Berkeley. Popular majors were very competitive and were designed to filter students out of majors. Many classes were based on a curve such that effectively 1/3 of people ended up at least leaving the major. Sample popular majors: computer science, chemical engineering, molecular cell biology. I knew of at least one person who effectively failed out after one semester and of community college transfers in danger of failing out.
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