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Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by samatman »

bluGill wrote: post #237
x3ro wrote: post #198

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This is a fairly terrible take for a number of reasons, but let's assume good faith and indulge this. * What makes you think that, at any point, lower caste people had an on-average lower IQ? The same has been said for plenty of minorities that have been historically discriminated against, such as people of color and women, because opressors are in control of the narrative and see themselves as superior * What does "…

It is possible that higher casts selected for intelligence over the years. Since in India arranged marriage is the norm, parents can select for intelligence if that is a trait they care about. If there is a genetic portion of intelligence that can be selected for. Note the above uses words like "possible" and "if". I find it unlikely this is what was done. More likely - like every other society - they selected for po…

> Note too that it is highly likely that in the past rape of lower casts was accepted in some form, which would bring any selected IQ genes to the lower casts.

There is preliminary evidence from genetic sequencing that Indian castes have been highly endogamous for at least 3000 years.

India is a vast place with an enormous population, and there's resistance to continuing this research, for fairly obvious reasons. But continue it will, you can't un-sequence a genome after all. So we may yet see a robust answer to this sort of question.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by Loughla »

cvhashim wrote: post #152
mcv wrote: post #109

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It's important that companies are aware of this, take complaints seriously, inform their Indian employees that this is not acceptable, explain where and how to report this, and offer training to overcome these prejudices. And have clear sanctions: if someone does discriminate against lower-caste colleagues, and especially when they abuse their power against them (by denying promotion, keeping them away from prestigio…

This is why I scoff and roll my eyes at individuals who argue that tech is a meritocracy when discrimination between countrymen is happening even in companies like Google.

From what I can tell, tech IS a meritocracy. As long as you have the money and/or connections to get into the tech scene.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by zapdrive »

macintux wrote: post #233
zapdrive wrote: post #223

> My college fucking put the caste next to people's names on notice boards for things like seating arrangements for an exam. You are lying. The colleges never do that, once the admissions are done. Yes, during entrance exams and results, they list the "quota" under which the student is seeking admission. If you don't want to have Scheduled Caste listed against your name, don't seek admission under SC quota.

Please reference the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Accusing someone of lying violates several of them.

But it IS a blatant lie. If the OP can provide any evidence of a student's caste listed on a notice board in a college, I'll eat my hat.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by pixelbash »

1024core wrote: post #244
signal11 wrote: post #170

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It’s not bizarre or far-fetched at all. Just a couple weeks ago (!) a woman named Rashmi Agochiya posted some astonishingly vile rants about Dalits on Facebook. Here’s a tweet with some of the comments she posted: https://twitter.com/ahariharan/status/1304042539238846464?s=... This lady has now deleted or hidden her social media accounts, but she seems to lives and work in the Midwest.

> It’s not bizarre or far-fetched at all. You do realize that one example (out of 1.2 Billion) is the definition of "far fetched". If you want to claim that it is not "far fetched", you will have to provide 1000s of cases. Edit: oh great, the downvote brigade is here. How about this anecdote: in grad school, I (an Indian, from the North of the country) was friends with a group of South Indians who all shared a house.…

One example within a couple of weeks of now means that statistically it's more unlikely to be unusual

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Post by zarkov99 »

xyhopguy wrote: post #200
zarkov99 wrote: post #196

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There is reproductive selection in that people from higher castes will tend to mate with people from higher castes and vice-versa.

right but thats not the same as selecting for IQ. thats not even getting into the fact that genetics << environmental effects for predicting IQ..

From Wikipedia:

Twin studies of adult individuals have found a heritability of IQ between 57% and 73%[6] with the most recent studies showing heritability for IQ as high as 80%[7] IQ goes from being weakly correlated with genetics, for children, to being strongly correlated with genetics for late teens and adults.

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

zapdrive wrote: post #260
shasts wrote: post #239

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Why would you say that? Would you imagine separate hospital rooms based on religion? It happened couple of months ago. https://scroll.in/latest/959274/covid-19-separate-wards-for-... If they are not allowed to live in the same quarter and be in the same hospital rooms, it is not hard to imagine segregation in universities too. https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/07/23/even-as-india-urba... It is not fair to call some…

I'm calling them a liar, because they ARE lying. I have had 7 years of college in India and not even once seen a students caste listed on any notice board. What i HAVE seen is their "quota", and there are many quotas: caste based, sports quota (for athletes), freedom fighter quota etc.

You do realize that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of colleges in India, right?

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Post by aatharuv »

strikelaserclaw wrote: post #168
nandhinianand wrote: post #161

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I have a friend whose parents converted to christianity, and so my friend grew up christian. But guess what, the first time I met my friends' mom(at his wedding), the first question she asked after verifying native state(TamilNadu) was which caste I belonged to. (And yeah just to be clear, she asked which caste I'm from, and she/they're from xxx caste). So no caste is not something people escape from converting relig…

All upper caste Indians who convert to Christianity still keep something in their name to signal their caste. So much for egalitarianism

Yup. When the Portuguese ruled Goa and surrounding parts of India, they were happy to keep caste prejudices -- for example, for a long time they only allowed Christian converts of Brahmin origin to become priests.

Similarly, other Catholics attempted to integrate the caste system into Christianity in India (see the Malabar rites controversy), and had two different "castes" of priests, one acting as Brahmin's and ministering to higher castes, and one acting as Hindu priests from lower castes (pandarams), ministering to everyone else.

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Post by secondcoming »

cvhashim wrote: post #152
mcv wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important that companies are aware of this, take complaints seriously, inform their Indian employees that this is not acceptable, explain where and how to report this, and offer training to overcome these prejudices. And have clear sanctions: if someone does discriminate against lower-caste colleagues, and especially when they abuse their power against them (by denying promotion, keeping them away from prestigio…

This is why I scoff and roll my eyes at individuals who argue that tech is a meritocracy when discrimination between countrymen is happening even in companies like Google.

But don't candidates for Google jobs have to jump through several tedious rounds of interview? How likely is it that there's going to be a snobby Indian in each of those rounds who gets to veto a candidate?

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by Loughla »

zarkov99 wrote: post #196
teachrdan wrote: post #194

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> generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes There is no natural selection going on here. People are born into a caste and, for all intents and purposes, their caste identity is fixed for the rest of their lives. The idea that these people have somehow developed a "higher IQ" over "generations" simply by being born to a particular caste makes no sense. Furthermore, the arg…

There is reproductive selection in that people from higher castes will tend to mate with people from higher castes and vice-versa.

The implication is that, inherently, higher caste individuals were more gifted than lower castes, and that breeding over the years selected for those traits.

You're confusing inherent trait with sociologically applied traits. In other words, there is no reason to assume there would be selective reproduction for ANY single trait in any of the castes, because your birth into those castes is random and meaningless.

Unless the first two people to make new babies in the highest castes were inherently better than everyone else. Which I firmly believe is false.

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