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Any thoughts?
For people who discuss this with Indian co-workers - don't be surprised if they find this bizarre or far fetched. For most upper caste folks, it appears as if the caste system doesn't exist because they've never been at the receiving end of it. Most people (me included) would be tempted to say - I've never discriminated, I've never seen it happen in front of me, I'm confident none of my friends would do it so therefo…
Do you think its pure caste discrimination though? Is it not possible, even likely, that generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes? I understand how awful this is to contemplate, but isn't it ignoring that effect also burying your head in the sand?
If members of a high caste are guaranteed wealth and many children, then there is no selective pressure for intelligence.
Likewise, if lower caste members struggle to survive, then there is a strong selective pressure for intelligence and problem solving.
For people who discuss this with Indian co-workers - don't be surprised if they find this bizarre or far fetched. For most upper caste folks, it appears as if the caste system doesn't exist because they've never been at the receiving end of it. Most people (me included) would be tempted to say - I've never discriminated, I've never seen it happen in front of me, I'm confident none of my friends would do it so therefo…
Do you think its pure caste discrimination though? Is it not possible, even likely, that generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes? I understand how awful this is to contemplate, but isn't it ignoring that effect also burying your head in the sand?
For people who discuss this with Indian co-workers - don't be surprised if they find this bizarre or far fetched. For most upper caste folks, it appears as if the caste system doesn't exist because they've never been at the receiving end of it. Most people (me included) would be tempted to say - I've never discriminated, I've never seen it happen in front of me, I'm confident none of my friends would do it so therefo…
Do you think its pure caste discrimination though? Is it not possible, even likely, that generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes? I understand how awful this is to contemplate, but isn't it ignoring that effect also burying your head in the sand?
There is no natural selection going on here. People are born into a caste and, for all intents and purposes, their caste identity is fixed for the rest of their lives. The idea that these people have somehow developed a "higher IQ" over "generations" simply by being born to a particular caste makes no sense.
Furthermore, the arguments made in the article have nothing to do with poor performance, (possibly) correlating with a lower IQ. The article details specific examples of antisocial behavior by upper caste Indian workers against their lower caste peers.
For people who discuss this with Indian co-workers - don't be surprised if they find this bizarre or far fetched. For most upper caste folks, it appears as if the caste system doesn't exist because they've never been at the receiving end of it. Most people (me included) would be tempted to say - I've never discriminated, I've never seen it happen in front of me, I'm confident none of my friends would do it so therefo…
Do you think its pure caste discrimination though? Is it not possible, even likely, that generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes? I understand how awful this is to contemplate, but isn't it ignoring that effect also burying your head in the sand?
You're missing the point completely. Equal opportunity has been replaced by equal outcomes - except for the 1%
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Do you think its pure caste discrimination though? Is it not possible, even likely, that generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes? I understand how awful this is to contemplate, but isn't it ignoring that effect also burying your head in the sand?
> generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes There is no natural selection going on here. People are born into a caste and, for all intents and purposes, their caste identity is fixed for the rest of their lives. The idea that these people have somehow developed a "higher IQ" over "generations" simply by being born to a particular caste makes no sense. Furthermore, the arg…
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Out of curiosity: Could an Indian of a lower caste change their name, or be named differently at birth, as to "fake" their way into a different caste?
yea but they will never understand the cultural nuances that it takes to become part of the "in" group, and from reading these articles, it seems that "in" group nepotism is rampant in some places. A caste is not just a name, its a cultural legacy you inherit from your parents, their network and society. Even if you ignore the name part, there are some hidden advantages that are conferred to people of higher castes t…
Plus, those nuances will probably get erased by adoption of the customs of their new country. Like they begin to prefer local adaptations of their cuisine, they speak like kids from their schools, etc.
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> generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes There is no natural selection going on here. People are born into a caste and, for all intents and purposes, their caste identity is fixed for the rest of their lives. The idea that these people have somehow developed a "higher IQ" over "generations" simply by being born to a particular caste makes no sense. Furthermore, the arg…
There is reproductive selection in that people from higher castes will tend to mate with people from higher castes and vice-versa.
* What makes you think that, at any point, lower caste people had an on-average lower IQ? The same has been said for plenty of minorities that have been historically discriminated against, such as people of color and women, because opressors are in control of the narrative and see themselves as superior
* What does "segregated" (in your original comment) or "selective reproduction" even mean for you? There are more lower caste indians than total Amercians. Are americans lower IQ because of "segregated reproduction"?
Yes, the ancient caste system still exists in India, in the backward areas. But in other areas it is only relevant when it comes to politics, mainly. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-no...
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> generations of segregated reproduction have selected for higher IQ in the higher castes There is no natural selection going on here. People are born into a caste and, for all intents and purposes, their caste identity is fixed for the rest of their lives. The idea that these people have somehow developed a "higher IQ" over "generations" simply by being born to a particular caste makes no sense. Furthermore, the arg…
There is reproductive selection in that people from higher castes will tend to mate with people from higher castes and vice-versa.
thats not even getting into the fact that genetics << environmental effects for predicting IQ..