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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by platinumrad »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #147
levosmetalo wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish grandchildren of your grandparents today would be less willing to sacrifice their lives for anyone in the world by playing the worlds' government, lawmaker and policemen. The world would be much safer and peaceful place.

Do you think the world would be a safer and more peaceful place if nobody stopped nazi germany?

No, but it honestly probably would have been if the Central Powers had won WWI. American entry into that war was made possible the sinking of the Lusitania, which was secretly carrying war munitions. There is some evidence that the British enabled the event although this is admittedly a minoritarian view among historians (last I checked). It was undoubtedly beneficial for the Allied Powers though.

The British Empire are pretty much the "bad guys" of world history insofar as such a designation makes sense. The punitive measures they arranged after WWI were directly responsible for the rise of the Nazi party in Weimar Germany.

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Post by tharne »

int_19h wrote: post #281
yters wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we call out all our own flaws from the past and now reject colonialism additionally, our country was founded by people escaping religious persecution why are not right to call out others currently making our mistakes from the past?

If US rejects colonialism, why doesn't Puerto Rico have voting representation in the federal government?

To be fair, if Puerto Rico wanted it's independence, the current administration would probably give it to them. Likewise, had they wanted to become the 51st state, I have no doubt that in 2009 President Obama and the Democratic super majority would have been happy to make that happen and grab up two extra Senate seats in the process.

The fact is, a lot Puerto Ricans like the current setup. The are natural born citizens who have full freedom of movement within the U.S. while Puerto Rico has fewer federal restrictions and obligations compared to a U.S. state.

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Post by munificent »

tinza123 wrote: post #56

You would think if China does something like this they might do a better job keeping it a secret. Any links to a credible source? All I find is "Hundreds of document" and opinions of some "Experts". And again, Adrian Zenz, who is by no means "independent", just check the guy's track record.

Optics only matters if there are consequences.

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Post by platinumrad »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #100
ReptileMan wrote: post #84

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>Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Are you willing to sacrifice your life for the freedom of Tibet? I am not

Why were our grandparents willing to sacrifice their life for the Europeans?

Because socialists failed to stop the senseless massacre that was WWI. I don't know if "willing" is the right word, but nationalist propaganda certainly triumphed over international solidarity among the working class, sadly.

The rise of the Nazi party in Weimar Germany was a direct consequence of the punitive nature of the Treaty of Versailles.

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Post by godelski »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #242
sandworm101 wrote: post #221

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>> if you go back far enough we all have a great^N parent who was in this situation. 'Everyone is a victim' is a cop out. The fact that some ancestor of mine was probably conquered by vikings doesn't mean that I shouldn't criticize china for doing the same thing today. Nor do I feel like a conqueror because some other ancestor was one of those vikings. Look to the deep past for lessons. Don't point to the deep past a…

The fact that you criticise someone doesn’t make you right though. It’s just a fact that every single empire in history ended up with a society which hated the conquests only to be conquered by another, less ethically-concerned nation. It’s easy to judge when you are in a privileged position, however the reason you do that is because you already made someone else pay the price of the externalities of your champagne p…

Just because something is common doesn't make it right either.

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Post by quadrifoliate »

rayiner wrote: post #235
apexalpha wrote: post #55

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

It feels wrong but it’s also how pretty much every culture got to be the way it is. Why do I have an Arabic last name even though I was born 3,000 miles away from the Middle East? Because 800 years ago an Islamic empire conquered India and Bangladesh. Why do Bangladeshis wear powdered wigs in court? Because the British conquered them 500 years after that. The British themselves are the product of numerous waves of co…

And South Asia is not exactly a great example of how well things turned out after having been under multiple successions of conquering empires.

Source: Am South Asian.

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Post by agentdrtran »

reaperducer wrote: post #211
apexalpha wrote: post #55

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. I happily pay more for things not made in China, when I can. When I can buy an iPhone that's not made in China, I'll buy it. Even if it means a downgrade. Several of my family members buy as many vintage and second-hand goods as they can. Not to be hipsters (are hipsters still a thing anymore?), but because they do not want to support China.

That's great, but we can't get out of the trade situation we're in with personal choices.

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Post by tharne »

jariel wrote: post #123
apexalpha wrote: post #55

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

"But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff." 20 years ago we were. Tibet was a little bit like BLM, all over Hollywood, in pop culture. The Dalai Lama was somewhat of a figure. Then China told Americans to 'shut their mouths' and they did. This is a tiny example of the tremendous power of that machine, it really cannot be ignored but I think we probably will. Edit: some notes [1] [2] [1] https:…

Don't understand why you're getting downvoted. This is a pretty accurate summary, albeit somewhat uncomfortable to acknowledge.

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Post by platinumrad »

free_rms wrote: post #158
ReptileMan wrote: post #108

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Well they weren't. It took great deal of effort to get involved in both wars. The US has traditionally been isolationists on matters in the eastern hemisphere. And it took world wars - here we are talking about internal china problem which is harder sell. China invading someone US cares about - like Japan may convince the US public to pay the nuclear butcher bill, but what they do on their own territory is not

Worth noting that there weren't any 'good guys' in WWI like the story we're told about WWII. It was just a slugfest between colonial powers who were all doing awful stuff.

WWI is truly the most depressing war. International solidarity among the working classes folded like paper in the face of imperial force, leading to some of the most brutal and pointless combat in human history.

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Post by warninglights »

Do people in hackernews understand GOP is doing anti-china propaganda campaign before the election. CIA has back channels everywhere.

The OP history is like a list 1000 anti-china posts. Even reuters reporter history is staggeringly one sided.

Please see for yourself. How many of you have been to these places being discussed?

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