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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by justicezyx »

platinumrad wrote: post #172
iliveinchina wrote: post #131

Tibetan history, like Chinese history, is complicated. On the subject of Tibetan assimilation: what most people think of Tibet - that is the current Tibetan autonomous region of the PRC - is actually only about 1/3 of what many Tibetans would call "Tibet." What is culturally and ethnically Tibetan actually stretches across Qinghai province, as well as large swaths of Sichuan, and part of Yunnan and Gansu. If you go t…

"What is culturally and ethnically Mongolian actually stretches across the Middle East, as well as large swaths of Russia and Europe." It simply isn't feasible to grant every cultural group the full extent of their historical claims.

Right, "It simply isn't feasible to grant every cultural group the full extent of their historical claims."

Doing this will extinguish multiple continents...

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by 1024core »

dcolkitt wrote: post #164
apexalpha wrote: post #55

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

The one silver lining is that Bhutan remains free and independent and intensely preserves its traditional culture. Its language, religion, and culture aren't exactly Tibetan, but they're fairly contiguous. About roughly equal to the difference between Spain and Portugal.

> The one silver lining is that Bhutan remains free and independent

... thanks to their defence agreement with India. Had that not been in place, China would have long occupied Bhutan too.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by coldcode »

Miner49er wrote: post #5

What China has done to Tibet is horrible. One thing that is missing from this article is how they are doing this? How are they coercing people? Are they literally dragging them out of their homes? Threatening them? Or are they just offering them opportunities that are actually preferable to their current conditions, and the people are accepting them?

Slavery is what it is, and it's good for business (in a 18th/19th century sort of way). If you can enslave people and force them to create wealth for you, you can spend the money on other things such as enslaving more people or convincing the rest of your population this is a good thing they should support.

Chinese history however is riddled with empires who eventually overreached their attempts to control everything and failed. All it takes is to mess up the economy so bad that most people suddenly are poorer, and some internal/external entity offers a better deal. A billion starving people can overcome any obstacle if necessary. Thus enslaving people to create wealth for you is another hedge to failure if you are a government.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by 1024core »

justicezyx wrote: post #190
shrewduser wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude have you been to hawaii? their culture is very much in tact and proud. Not only that but locals have special rights and privileges over mainlanders not the reverse.

CCP can give you millions of examples of "their culture is very much in tact and proud. Not only that but locals have special rights and privileges over mainlanders not the reverse." Does that make this reported events legitimate?

Han Chinese are paid to move to Tibet and then "act" Tibetan, for the benefit of Western tourists. My friend's sister is employed in this manner. It's enough to fool people like you, but it doesn't fool the local Tibetans, who are being sidelined more and more.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by star-trek-fleet »

foepys wrote: post #31
pc86 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not until China stops manufacturing everything, and I'm thinking by then it will be too late.

I fear it already is too late. China was brave enough to take Hong Kong in one swift motion. The international response has been so weak that China is already eyeing Taiwan. Just yesterday they flew with 18 fighter jets and a bomber across the unofficial but mutually agreed border between Taiwan and China. This is unprecedented. If the situation doesn't deescalate quickly, we might see a war soon and if push comes to…

> Just yesterday they flew with 18 fighter jets and a bomber across the unofficial but mutually agreed border between Taiwan and China.

There is no official border between these 2 "countries". They both officially claim they own the the other.

And China has made it plain that, as long as Taiwan is not pursuing independence, everything can be made as usual. That's backed by many popular demand from the ordinary people.

It's like US wont allow USSR to deploy nukes in Cuba. As long as you Cuba dont do that, US are OK with the communism on the island. Otherwise, sorry, you are risking the whole life for this whatever ideology you are pursuing.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by platinumrad »

oxymoran wrote: post #136
colesantiago wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure people were critical of China before Trump took office, nevertheless you've got a point and I don't get why you've been downvoted. I hope it doesn't get to major atrocities to happen before the world wakes up to what China is doing.

People have been critical of China for decades and deservedly so. The only thing that has changed is that the political landscape in the US has descended into madness. The CCP has already committed disgusting atrocities during the cultural revolution in the 60’s but the world magically ignores that so I am pessimistic to say the least.

The world magically ignores that? The excesses of the cultural revolution are covered in gory detail in any reasonable class that covers the modern history of China. The Maoist struggle session looms as large in the western popular imagination as the Spanish Inquisition and honestly larger than any of the historical red scares.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by yters »

coldtea wrote: post #142
yters wrote: post #126

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so if a reformed mob boss sees other mobsters extorting people, he cannot step in and stop them because he did the same thing in the past? every culture has done horrible things in the past. does that mean no one should try to prevent modern crimes against humanity? i really don't understand this kind of ethical reasoning, just sounds like pious excuses to sit on our hands

> so if a reformed mob boss sees other mobsters extorting people, he cannot step in and stop them because he did the same thing in the past? Reformed? LOL. > i really don't understand this kind of ethical reasoning, just sounds like pious excuses to sit on our hands It's the ethical imperative of: - not being a hypocrite, - being the change you want to see in the world, and putting your house in order first - the old…

so you are fine with allowing all the human atrocities by CCP because of what usa has done in the past? i cannot make heads or tails of this perspective

as one of jewish descent, i am glad usa denounced the holocaust during ww2, and didn't use its past injustices as an excuse to remain silent

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by dahdum »

api wrote: post #180
apexalpha wrote: post #55

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

It's similar to our reluctance to criticize Saudi Arabia even when there are links between their upper crust and the largest terror attack ever on American soil. Saudi Arabia is still one of the largest oil spigots with the easiest ability to turn that spigot on and off and therefore set global oil prices, so we don't dare offend them.

US policy has been moving towards energy independence from Bush, Obama, and through Trump. We're pretty much there now, OPEC can't drive up prices without US shale producers ramping up production, sharply limiting their control.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by kube-system »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #179
yenwodyah wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those countries are being colonized, by any definition of the word.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/colonized > adjective politically ruled by citizens of another country. Seems to fit this definition

16 years ago, one of those countries met that definition for a period of 14 months.
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