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Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by shadowgovt »

burtonator wrote: post #35

PRESS RELEASE Sept 22, 2021. Google Announces that Google Tables will be sunset and all users will have to migrate away by Sept 23, 2021. "Google Tables was a great experiment but we're migrating to Google Tracker - a better version of Google Tables designed for power users." said Dep Re. Kated, VP of Engineering at Google. Google Tables has no migration tool or system for users to export their data angering some use…

> Google Tables has no migration tool or system for users to export their data angering some users.

Weird. Last I checked, even when deprecations happen, the data is accessible via Takeout.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by uponcoffee »

nvrspyx wrote: post #103
uponcoffee wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be UI/UX for creating//editing//managing databases and interacting with them for non-programmers. Paraphrasing the video: Like sheets, but with structured data (columns define data types with relationships) and complex actions/triggers via bots. Per your original comment, given Google's track record with customer performance//services being dead on arrival, I can imagine few here are interested in learnin…

In other words, it's an AirTable clone.

Appears so, I wasn't aware of air table until reading the other comments. Pretty much seals the grave on this one. Low effort clone from a company notorious for no customer support and killing services vs the original that specializes in this... easy choice

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

res0nat0r wrote: post #102
atarian wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite end of this spectrum is a company supporting far too many different properties like Yahoo did. How do you strike the right balance?

Most of it is just the HN echo chamber. Folks commenting that GCP my be shut down because it doesn't make as much money as Azure, totally oblivious to the fact that Google has billions invested in physical buildings and hardware being hammered on and built out around the world as we speak, just shows that folks here are out of the loop on this type of thing.

From what I can tell, there isn't a single person in this thread claiming GCP may be shut down. And if there is, it certainly isn't a meaningful number of people.

What you're doing is claiming people hold an easily attackable position that they don't hold, and attacking that position. It's called strawmanning.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by ebiester »

johnwheeler wrote: post #90
atarian wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite end of this spectrum is a company supporting far too many different properties like Yahoo did. How do you strike the right balance?

They should release the financials of the app and let companies bid to acquire the app and its userbase. Smaller companies get a shot at growing the business, users stay happy(er than they would otherwise) and google gets a shot at acquiring the original idea back should it succeed under the hands of people who give a damn. Unfortunately, such a program would likely be sunset after a year.

More importantly, this is all released on Google's internal infrastructure. Any such work would require moving to the external infrastructure, and the cost of it likely wouldn't make sense.

The real issue is this: Why am I paying 10 dollars/user/month for this when G suite Business is 12? I could see using this for the organization, but not at that cost.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by sjg007 »

nvrspyx wrote: post #103
uponcoffee wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be UI/UX for creating//editing//managing databases and interacting with them for non-programmers. Paraphrasing the video: Like sheets, but with structured data (columns define data types with relationships) and complex actions/triggers via bots. Per your original comment, given Google's track record with customer performance//services being dead on arrival, I can imagine few here are interested in learnin…

In other words, it's an AirTable clone.

I thought it was an Asana clone?

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by shadowgovt »

johnwheeler wrote: post #90
atarian wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite end of this spectrum is a company supporting far too many different properties like Yahoo did. How do you strike the right balance?

They should release the financials of the app and let companies bid to acquire the app and its userbase. Smaller companies get a shot at growing the business, users stay happy(er than they would otherwise) and google gets a shot at acquiring the original idea back should it succeed under the hands of people who give a damn. Unfortunately, such a program would likely be sunset after a year.

The way Google builds software makes that approach tough.

Even if you had the source code to the app (which Google isn't about to give out at any price), what you'll find is that it's an app architected to link against libraries nobody has ever seen and run atop a distributed computing fabric that's loosely related to Kubernetes but, really, nobody's ever seen, storing data to a backing store nobody's ever seen, and identifying users via an authentication model that nobody's ever seen.

Dangling references all over the place, leading to special sauce Google is even less likely to publish, because it's deeply tied into a physical hardware architecture that Google can't publish, because even if they did nobody's going to build it.

Some of Google's user-facing stuff runs on the architectures they make public, like GCP. But a lot of it runs on Google's proprietary fabric of service management and distributed storage, which is an alien planet relative to the world outside their walls. Publishing an app out of that part of the ecosystem would be like Google handing a company a koala with no eucalyptus trees. It'd be dead in days.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #111
burtonator wrote: post #35

PRESS RELEASE Sept 22, 2021. Google Announces that Google Tables will be sunset and all users will have to migrate away by Sept 23, 2021. "Google Tables was a great experiment but we're migrating to Google Tracker - a better version of Google Tables designed for power users." said Dep Re. Kated, VP of Engineering at Google. Google Tables has no migration tool or system for users to export their data angering some use…

> Google Tables has no migration tool or system for users to export their data angering some users. Weird. Last I checked, even when deprecations happen, the data is accessible via Takeout.

This is often claimed, but more often than not, data provided by export features, and not just Google's, are in a format which makes it useless to non-programmers.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by shadowgovt »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #117
shadowgovt wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google Tables has no migration tool or system for users to export their data angering some users. Weird. Last I checked, even when deprecations happen, the data is accessible via Takeout.

This is often claimed, but more often than not, data provided by export features, and not just Google's, are in a format which makes it useless to non-programmers.

That's going to be the common case; without knowing the end-target application, most data formats we would pick at random are useless to non-programmers.

Even JSON is too complex for non-programmers.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

virgilp wrote: post #49

What surprises me, more than the ton of comments about Google's credibility, is that I suspect nobody even tried to get more than a superficial understanding of what the product is supposed to do and what differentiates it. Surely I can't be the first one to notice that you can't even find out what this product does? The value proposition is a series of images, but you can't look at any one image & absorb the details…

Why should I invest any time in a product which will diappear? Any time I spent looking into it, beyond just looking for ideas for my own products, seems like a waste of my time which I'll never get back.
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