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A list of discontinued Mozilla products and services

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Re: A list of discontinued Mozilla products and services

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Some of these are a bit spurious. I mean, Venkman was replaced by Firebug, which was much better. MXR was similarly replaced by DXR. Unlike Google, which look much more arbitrary in their shutdowns, Mozilla typically kill projects that are already on their last leg, or replace them with something objectively better.

To be fair, I think that logic applies to some of the items on Google's list too. Like Google Nexus? They changed the name and scope of their phone line. AngularJS? They took the framework in a different direction.

The targeting of the Nexus line was completely different to Pixel though, they could easily have co-existed. And there was a gap between them. I've never worked for Google, but I assume 'kill Nexus' and 'launch Pixel' were independent decisions, the latter unforeseen at the time of the former.

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I'm still sad to this day that FirefoxOS got axed. Doubly so now since I'm trying to find a new phone after my Nexus 5X stopped getting official builds of LineageOS. I really hope that there's some diabolical plan within Mozilla to bring it back once the wasm world is more established and makes having a fully browser based OS less of a performance hit.

Performance is not on the top 5 list of things that killed FirefoxOS...

I mean, that's probably true. But if I tell myself that the problem was technical I can still hold out hope that they're secretly solving those problems and will try again. :P

I've still never seen a good retrospective on what went wrong, do you happen to have any links/stories?

Re: A list of discontinued Mozilla products and services

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Thanks for putting the list together! There are a few that you may want to include: 1. Mozilla Labs (first iteration) 2. Mozilla Ubiquity (which we are seeing the concept re-emerge in Google Chrome) 3. Mozilla Prism 4. Mozilla Bespin (which sorta-lives-on) 5. XULRunner 6. Mozilla Test Pilot (1st and 2nd iterations) I'm likely missing a few more. But a lot of these were experiments, and not concrete product offerings,…

I guess I still have the O'Reilly XUL book somewhere. XULRunner was the precursor to Atom. It was the way mozilla bootstraped firefox long time ago ¿before gecko? and they made public the tool to do it by yourself.

They eventually abandoned XUL entirely because it was hard to maintain and extend.

I wonder how many XUL projects were out there not from mozilla.

Re: A list of discontinued Mozilla products and services

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post #43

Thanks for putting the list together! There are a few that you may want to include: 1. Mozilla Labs (first iteration) 2. Mozilla Ubiquity (which we are seeing the concept re-emerge in Google Chrome) 3. Mozilla Prism 4. Mozilla Bespin (which sorta-lives-on) 5. XULRunner 6. Mozilla Test Pilot (1st and 2nd iterations) I'm likely missing a few more. But a lot of these were experiments, and not concrete product offerings,…

I guess I still have the O'Reilly XUL book somewhere. XULRunner was the precursor to Atom. It was the way mozilla bootstraped firefox long time ago ¿before gecko? and they made public the tool to do it by yourself. They eventually abandoned XUL entirely because it was hard to maintain and extend. I wonder how many XUL projects were out there not from mozilla.

> I wonder how many XUL projects were out there not from mozilla.

ActiveState IDEs and Zotero come to mind.

Re: A list of discontinued Mozilla products and services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I still have the O'Reilly XUL book somewhere. XULRunner was the precursor to Atom. It was the way mozilla bootstraped firefox long time ago ¿before gecko? and they made public the tool to do it by yourself. They eventually abandoned XUL entirely because it was hard to maintain and extend. I wonder how many XUL projects were out there not from mozilla.

> I wonder how many XUL projects were out there not from mozilla. ActiveState IDEs and Zotero come to mind.

Songbird while it was alive as well [0]

(Anyone here work on that? I have great nostalgia for it and the cute black bird logo)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_(software)

Re: A list of discontinued Mozilla products and services

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post #34

I'm still sad to this day that FirefoxOS got axed. Doubly so now since I'm trying to find a new phone after my Nexus 5X stopped getting official builds of LineageOS. I really hope that there's some diabolical plan within Mozilla to bring it back once the wasm world is more established and makes having a fully browser based OS less of a performance hit.

It still lives on as KaiOS. My old flip phone runs it.

Re: A list of discontinued Mozilla products and services

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Thanks for putting the list together! There are a few that you may want to include: 1. Mozilla Labs (first iteration) 2. Mozilla Ubiquity (which we are seeing the concept re-emerge in Google Chrome) 3. Mozilla Prism 4. Mozilla Bespin (which sorta-lives-on) 5. XULRunner 6. Mozilla Test Pilot (1st and 2nd iterations) I'm likely missing a few more. But a lot of these were experiments, and not concrete product offerings,…

> Ubiquity (which we are seeing the concept re-emerge in Google Chrome)

I haven't noticed this, can you explain more?

Re: A list of discontinued Mozilla products and services

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post #7

Some of these are a bit spurious. I mean, Venkman was replaced by Firebug, which was much better. MXR was similarly replaced by DXR. Unlike Google, which look much more arbitrary in their shutdowns, Mozilla typically kill projects that are already on their last leg, or replace them with something objectively better.

Persona stands out here as a huge opportunity lost. It offered a future with a fully decentralized, federated authentication scheme, based on open protocols.

Yes, they made some mistakes and adoption was poor. But it worked well and the underlying protocols are something the internet still desperately needs.

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